President Donald J Trump
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I said I have opinions, just like you. You have opinions. I think they are wild. Open borders with Mexico for example. Wild. Insane. Asinine.
I don't think you are comprehending or understanding what I am saying. The NHS is failing due to immigration and terrible practice. That doesn't mean some people can't still be happy with their GP. That doesn't reflect on the NHS as a system and how it is failing.
Take a look at this report published by the very same people who published the survey you linked to.
https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/sites/...eficits_in_the_NHS_Kings_Fund_July_2016_1.pdf
You don't have to read the whole thing, it is pretty long.
NHS providers and commissioners ended 2015/16 with an aggregate deficit of
?1.85 billion (unaudited), a threefold increase on the previous year. This is the
largest aggregate deficit in NHS history.
The NHS is haemorrhaging money uncontrollably. Now you can be happy with your GP all you want, but that is nothing short of a cold hard fact showing that the NHS is failing. A main reason many wanted out of the EU. And they got it.
If your GP is nice to you, I am pretty sure that would get a "yes" vote on are you satisfied. Right? It doesn't factor in what that GP does though does it. It doesn't factor in the over prescriptions of drugs or anything else now does it?
You are really out of your element with the NHS because you have no idea what you are talking about. I wouldn't expect you to because you don't live here and experience it first hand. I'd also be pretty confident in saying none of your friends in the UK work within the NHS.
The point is the system is broken. It is broken and failing (undeniable. look at the report. Factsopcorn2) because of what has happened and gone on without being corrected.
If you leave something and don't react, shit hits the fan eventually and then you have a way bigger mess to clean up than if you evaluate earlier and adjust accordingly.
Oh, here is this too from the report.
The principal cause of the deficit is the fact that funding has not kept pace
with the increasing demand for services.
Fact. Immigration. Fact.
"The sky is falling. The sky is falling."
Look chicken little. Let's be clear. You went on and about how everyone in the UK hates the NHS And then you got it shoved back in your pie hole. 60% approval is far from everyone disapproving of it. If it's failing so bad, why does the majority want to keep it? Your Brexit comparison is asinine as well. Because Brexit would fail on a revote and you know it. Everything you've posted after that is just a waste of bandwidth. Just like you want to say I have no idea about the NHS even though I proved your main point wrong, you have absolutely no clue how much deporting the most vital workforce in this country would be. So just sit your ass back in whatever cave you dwell in, and don't make ignorant comments about what is right and not right about THIS country. I live here, I know exactly what it would do. There have been multiple studies and news articles that prove what you and your pal tRUMP wants to do as catastrophic to the economy. Fuck your wall, and fuck your ignorance....
The much hated NHS....
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Wow I guess you don't take too kindly to getting owned by facts. Owned by the same website you posted, shoving it right back down your throat, verifying what I said to begin with. The NHS is failing, undeniably. I can guarantee I know far more people in the UK than your few friends who "like the NHS". So again, I will go with what I know to be fact.
And you don't know anything. You have no idea what would happen. You just think you know. It is you who is acting like the sky will fall if illegal immigrants are sent back to their country. I am not worried about anything at all. You seem very edgy though and clearly can't tolerate being proven wrong.
Not sure what a wall has to do with anything either. Pretty sure we all know that isn't a reality.
The most vital work force? I don't think so. Not by a long shot.
Again though, I urge you to read the report published by the folks at the fine website you first linked, the Kings Fund, and read all about how the NHS is losing money at a blistering, record setting pace. But yeah, it is working just fine. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Serious question:
How do you think the price of produce will be affected when Matthew and Betsy are picking your tomatoes instead of Juanita and Miguel?
A) Price will not be affected
B) Price will go down
C) Price will go up a little
D) Price will go up significantly
Personally, I think D.
You really can't see beyond your own thoughts. Me, whine to Jack? :mj07: About what? Ask Jack how many times we talk on the phone or I email him? You are the one with him on speed dial, I am pretty sure. Its an internet forum. You have seen what before with me whining to Jack? Where? With Detroit man? With KOD? Similar to many others on this site? Yeah, like you have never been in a writing tussle on here before have you? You are perfect, correct? Everyone gets along perfectly with you, correct? And you have never said in a post, "can't believe Jack puts up with this"?Or something similar, so you don't call me out for not saying the same words. Done here, now go ahead and get your last word in, calling me something lower than you, or a 12 year old, or whatever your fucking brain comes up with.
I'd say any opinion is just speculation. You can't say what would happen because that situation has never been presented.
Obviously the "sky is falling" speculation would be D, that the price would go up significantly. But the farmers still have to sell their stock. If the produce is going to go up in price, the consumer still has a decision on if they want to buy it or not. Also, a lot of produce is imported now anyway, so if farmers wanted to still sell their stock, they'd have to meet those prices otherwise they wouldn't sell very much.
I'd venture to think that the prices may go up slightly, but the farmer would have to either find someone to work the wages they can pay, or sell their produce for less and earn less profit. So they would have to change the way they do things if they want to carry on taking in the same profits after their costs. Otherwise, they'd have to settle for less profits.
D) Price will go up!
But that will be offset by the free healthcare and free education their children have been receiving. Look into the bilingual education system. Over 90% of the undocumented teenagers I have come across have free braces. That's $5000 a pop! They all get free lunches at school. Look! I am not for sending all the illegal immigrants back. I am just pointing out the money part of your argument. I know its worse in California, but I know what's going on in the school system in Texas. Believe me when I tell you that bilingual and ESL programs are not cheap to run. The law of the land states that every child in the U.S. has a right to an education. Hence, we go out of our way to accommodate this law.
That question reminds me of the question.people had about what would happen to the market if Trump won. You would have said D. Market tanks. And would have been wrong. Why not just wait to see what happens like the rest of us instead of pissing and moaning about future events which may or may not even happen.
Making less profits sounds bad for small business and big business alike. My guess is it would go up significantly because the price of labor would sharply increase. Attracting everyday Americans looking for work is going to be tough when you consider how hard the work is. Minimum wage won't attract them, so the market will have to increase price until it reaches buyers (the workers). Americans are already turning to fast food and prepackaged processed products because they deem the price for produce to be too high.
What would have happened if Hillary won and raised minimum wage ? Prices would have gone up significantly but the masses wouldn't care because they are making 15 bucks an hour? net net would have been a loss but the ignorant can't see the forest for the trees? Just my uneducated back woods way of seeing it but I am sure someone will explain to me ??!!
I'm sure you'd have to spend more than $3.99 for an entire meal at your family's favorite Irish restaurant.
It is D. Its not opinion, but we don't really have undisputed facts in this country anymore. If you have a belief that's wrong, I'm pretty sure that you can find a website to support it.
Smart business people would have fired half their work forces to try and keep prices lower at fast food restaurants. and or a happy meal would cost 20 bucks without a drink, add 7.50 for milk...15 bucks to flip burgers is asanine
Low fast food prices are why you are so fucking fat. You should be a major proponent since self control and dignity aren't your strengths.
and our pres elect just settled his fraud Trump U lawsuits paying out 25 fucking million Dollars to students he commited fraud on.
SO happy i didnt vote because Now i look smart instaed of stupid.
Hillary voters called stupid now trump voters called stupid LMAO
OMFG if he dont get sworn in january We Get Pence :facepalm:
SO happy i didnt vote because Now i look smart instaed of stupid.
Hillary voters called stupid now trump voters called stupid LMAO
OMFG if he dont get sworn in january We Get Pence :facepalm:
The extent of your ignorance is quite amazing.
California produces a quarter of the nation's food and that's not counting a ton that is exported. Higher prices would not just trickle down, it be a flood. From shipping, ground and air transportation, grocery stores, restaurants, which in turn affects everyone else down the food chain. When the food they eat costs more, they will in turn charge more for everything else.
You should just stop with your uneducated comments. I'm done arguing with you. You're an unarmed opponent.
http://www.slate.com/articles/healt...and_vegetables_what_would_we_eat_without.html
California produces a sizable majority of many American fruits, vegetables, and nuts: 99 percent of artichokes, 99 percent of walnuts, 97 percent of kiwis, 97 percent of plums, 95 percent of celery, 95 percent of garlic, 89 percent of cauliflower, 71 percent of spinach, and 69 percent of carrots (and the list goes on and on).
That article is from 2013 it seems. I'm sure there's been plenty of advancements. Still doesn't change the fact (again, a fact) that we do import a lot of produce. A lot, doesn't mean all. I'm not sure what %s you want but I'd say a lot is pretty accurate. Or maybe a great deal. Or maybe tons if we want to be more specific. Or tonnes as it were. In any case I am pretty sure we aren't harvesting mass quantities of bananas.
But yes, you should definitely stop when you don't understand what you are talking about. You can't google something like how the NHS works and expect to pass it off as knowledge. You were completely wrong on every point, which is why you've given up and not even responded to that and moved on to something else. Good on you. Leave it behind and try to change the topic on how much walnuts and artichokes California churns out. All the while, the point I made from the beginning drawing the line and similarities to the failing NHS is still the same. :0008
Yeah. Ok chicken little. I've backed everything I've stated with facts and actual analysis to prove my points and you've backed yours up with, "blah, blah, blah, blah I'm a know it all, believe everything I say".......
Airbag stated we import a lot of produce, therefore it must be true. Airbag says 80% of Europeans hate the NHS, therefore it must be true. See Spot run. Run Spot run. You're a work of art man....:142smilie
