President Donald J Trump
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Nice to see you on the Trump train, it's going to be amazing the next 8 years :toast:
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You need to come out from that rock you are living under, the present of the US is not the most powerful position on the planet anymore.
You need to come out from that rock you are living under, the present of the US is not the most powerful position on the planet anymore.
There are a couple reasons some people resist voter ID laws.
1) 20million+ Americans don't have photo IDs (including 18% of all people over 65 years old)
2) IDs cost money, so voter ID laws amount to a poll tax (can't vote for free).
3) Voting isn't like a lot of other government services which could be called "privileges". It is a right. And we should resist any barriers to preventing easy access to voting.
Logistical reasons:
1) Who would decide if the picture matched the person standing there? The volunteers that staff voter precincts? That is a lot of discretion to give a lightly trained volunteer, how would they wield it?
2) There isn't a lot of evidence wide scale fraud exists. I'm sure some does, but getting people to show up multiple times to vote for other people seems fairly difficult to pull off. I question if the potential risk outweighs the extremely limited gain a few extra votes here and there could provide. The resources required to orchestrate this would probably yield fewer extra votes than spending that money on getting legit voters to turn out (just my guess, I can't know for sure).
I've heard a lot about voter fraud, but for me to put any stock in it, I would need to hear an explanation of how it's actually coordinated and to what end. Paint me a picture of exactly how it works, and demonstrate how it has had a statistically significant effect on any election.
Personally I am far more concerned about potential abuses with computer voting with no verifiable paper trail. There have been a lot of in depth articles about the potential problems those create (easily hacked, no paper-trail, connections between the companies that build the machines to political candidates etc.
It seems to me if you wanted to throw an election the absolute least efficient way would be to use the type of fraud that picture IDs could prevent, and much easier to do it on the back end. "lose ballots" corrupt 1 or 2 election officials, hack voting software etc.
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I guess we should be paying homage to saint rather than whatshisnuts.
I don't know what percentile I'm in, nor does anyone care, myself included. I do know that Gary's a stand up guy that I'm always happy to hang out with.
Wineguy,
Nothing you said in this thread was misconstrued, nor did you say "the wrong thing". You also have said you were done with this thread three times already. I don't know if you realize this or not, but once you post something in a thread, it becomes a written record for all to see, yourself included. You may want to re-read your posts specifically before making another post about how your so misunderstood.
So poor little put upon you can quit with the nice guy martyrdom bullshit. You get what you give. Then again, you'll never see this post since you're done with it, right?
Hope this helps,
FDC
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He's not? This is a really misguided response. Who do you think has the most powerful position? He is the COMMANDER AND CHIEF of this country. This country has 662 bases across the world in 38 foreign countries. By comparison, Britain, France and Russia have 30 foreign bases combined!
How about the money spent on our military? Well, the U.S. military expenditures are roughly the size of the next seven largest military budgets around the world, combined. That includes China #2, Saudi's #3, Russia #4 and the UK #5. We spend $1.6 trillion on the military. Again, he is the commander and chief and even though he can't technically declare war, he can use the military as he needs.
And this is only one area we dominate in....
If he isn't, who is?
That's hilarious. Says it not only once but twice. Wonder how long that is going to take to figure out??? :0002
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