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Elliot Porter, the DL recruit that ended up with the Cats last year via LSU has gotten homesick and will be leaving Kentucky.

That's awesome. He's the poster child for the oversigning problem, he was moved into his dorm, Les says he has to grayshirt, he says no, Kentucky opens their arms, gives him a scholarship, he redshirts and he heads back to LSU to walk on. . . . Battered woman syndrome.
 

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That's awesome. He's the poster child for the oversigning problem, he was moved into his dorm, Les says he has to grayshirt, he says no, Kentucky opens their arms, gives him a scholarship, he redshirts and he heads back to LSU to walk on. . . . Battered woman syndrome.

Too many games being played other than football. If you want some parody in college football, you force this shit to end. For that matter, eliminate the red shirt for anything other than medical reasons.
 

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http://www.kentucky.com/2011/01/28/1614174/mark-story-kiffin-kelly-make-visits.html#more

Haven't really read all the posts but here's a story on Kys (state's best prospect). I'd like for us to get him but I doubt it. Here's some more things I read a week or so ago but don't remember all the names and/or details. Elliot Porter, the DL recruit that ended up with the Cats last year via LSU has gotten homesick and will be leaving Kentucky.
We lost a good OL recruit to Notre Dame, that will hurt, it's probably the lineman that keep Ky in the bottom half of the SEC more than anything else. On the other hand we pilfered a running back out of Atlanta that was headed for Purdue. Some of this could have changed by now so if you know anything or can add to this please let me know.

Hey, buddy. Hope ur welll. Porter played ol in hs, and has just walked on at lsu. His case was a sad one, in which he thought lsu had a spot for him and was informed way too late that his schollie was a year away.

I also agree with ur take that Kentucky lags on both lines, as their skill players have been strong.
 

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Too many games being played other than football. If you want some parody in college football, you force this shit to end. For that matter, eliminate the red shirt for anything other than medical reasons.

Eliminate the red shirt. Hard to Imagine that u are being serious..........
 

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It's just like a red shirt except the player can't enroll in the college and take classes unless they pay for it on their own and they can't practice with the team. They don't get the scholarship until the following year. . . unless the school that he attends (if he paid for it) finds better recruits in the next class and then they cut him and if he wants to play football for someone else he has to go to a different school even if it's August of his second year.

It's called a gray shirt because the only schools that do it are from states that wore gray uniforms in the Civil War.

Here's an excellent clip that goes into oversigning and gray shirting
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5935634

Ur are sharp guy, but you are way off base on the gray shirt deal. All lsu gray shirts have received their schollie the following season. I am guessing the same happens at other schools, but cannot verify bc I do not follow recruiting except lsu.

Gray shirts are generally issued to guys that would be takes the following season. This year, Louisiana was stacked, while next season's class is not up to par, so 2-3 guys will likely be offered gray shirt deals.

The problem with porter was les apparently was not forthcoming. Porter acted as if gray shirting was never brought up, so I believe him. Sam Montgomery is an all- world de who will play Sundays. Montgomery was a late surprise, so I wonder if he did not take porter's spot?

Anyway, ur whining about the big bad sec will not change anything with nd's fall from grace. Gl, though.
 

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Too many games being played other than football. If you want some parody in college football, you force this shit to end. For that matter, eliminate the red shirt for anything other than medical reasons.

Parity in football? Who wants that?
 

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Parity in football? Who wants that?

I like watching 56 point blow outs as much as the next guy, but I think the red shirt process is BS. You get 4 years to use and develop a kid. If he isn't ready, let him go to the MAC or WAC or somewhere else. If his talent has too much upside, you keep him and take a chance. Right now, the big programs stockpile for the sake of stockpiling. From LSU fan perspective, all you want is every player under the sun that might have talent.....screw what's best for the kid, just get him signed and we'll figure out what to do with him later.
 

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Hey, buddy. Hope ur welll. Porter played ol in hs, and has just walked on at lsu. His case was a sad one, in which he thought lsu had a spot for him and was informed way too late that his schollie was a year away.

I also agree with ur take that Kentucky lags on both lines, as their skill players have been strong.

All is well, sure hated to lose him but bottom line is I want what's best for the kid. The problem is very few kids know what's best for them and don't realize that getting further from home (sometimes) can force them to grow up. I'll never forget my days 10 to 30 miles from home and bringing my laundry home every weekend, I never did grow up. Hope he makes it.
 

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That's awesome. He's the poster child for the oversigning problem, he was moved into his dorm, Les says he has to grayshirt, he says no, Kentucky opens their arms, gives him a scholarship, he redshirts and he heads back to LSU to walk on. . . . Battered woman syndrome.

Unfortunate case but things will probably work out for him. btw, quit pilfering our damn lineman down here, we need everyone we can keep...:142smilie
 

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Ur are sharp guy, but you are way off base on the gray shirt deal.

It's like a red shirt except the school's not paying for an education. You say that you have an incoming frosh that will be gray shirted. Does he know that? Is that how he was recruited? You say people will be transferring. Do they know that or will the coaches tell them that they have to because too many of the incoming frosh got through the clearinghouse?

It's not against the rules and every coach is allowed to go as far as his morals will take him, but it's scummy and it's shady and if Notre Dame did it, I wouldn't be a fan anymore. . . and you seem to be confusing disgust with jealousy and it's not the SEC. Vandy doesn't do it and Georgia doesn't do it.
 

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Unfortunate case but things will probably work out for him. btw, quit pilfering our damn lineman down here, we need everyone we can keep...:142smilie

His Mom and Dad went to Kentucky but his brother's at ND and improved greatly during the year. Weis honored everyone who committed to another University and would stop trying to recruiit them unless they called ND. . . . Kelly doesn't seem to have the same hang up.
 

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It's not against the rules and every coach is allowed to go as far as his morals will take him, but it's scummy and it's shady and if Notre Dame did it, I wouldn't be a fan anymore. . . and you seem to be confusing disgust with jealousy and it's not the SEC. Vandy doesn't do it and Georgia doesn't do it.

I see nothing wrong with gray shirts as long as it is handled up front. FYI, uga offered a gray shirt to xavier ward last week.
 

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It's like a red shirt except the school's not paying for an education. You say that you have an incoming frosh that will be gray shirted. Does he know that? Is that how he was recruited? You say people will be transferring. Do they know that or will the coaches tell them that they have to because too many of the incoming frosh got through the clearinghouse?

It's not against the rules and every coach is allowed to go as far as his morals will take him, but it's scummy and it's shady and if Notre Dame did it, I wouldn't be a fan anymore. . . and you seem to be confusing disgust with jealousy and it's not the SEC. Vandy doesn't do it and Georgia doesn't do it.

Unfortunantly the 6-7 record we finished with this year is all the justification needed by most to oversign:facepalm: BTW until the rules are changed I understand why coaches oversign. You cant leave things up to coaches that are paid millions to win and expect them to be "stand-up" guys.
 
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I like watching 56 point blow outs as much as the next guy, but I think the red shirt process is BS. You get 4 years to use and develop a kid. If he isn't ready, let him go to the MAC or WAC or somewhere else. If his talent has too much upside, you keep him and take a chance. Right now, the big programs stockpile for the sake of stockpiling. From LSU fan perspective, all you want is every player under the sun that might have talent.....screw what's best for the kid, just get him signed and we'll figure out what to do with him later.

I would prefer to play 4 seasons in 5 years at a big time program with high end facilities than to play 4 years in the Mac.
 

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It's like a red shirt except the school's not paying for an education. You say that you have an incoming frosh that will be gray shirted. Does he know that? Is that how he was recruited? You say people will be transferring. Do they know that or will the coaches tell them that they have to because too many of the incoming frosh got through the clearinghouse?

It's not against the rules and every coach is allowed to go as far as his morals will take him, but it's scummy and it's shady and if Notre Dame did it, I wouldn't be a fan anymore. . . and you seem to be confusing disgust with jealousy and it's not the SEC. Vandy doesn't do it and Georgia doesn't do it.

The transfers, including 4* dray ton Calhoun, left because they were buried on the depth chart.
 

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Transfers in January and transfers after Spring practice are probably player decisions. Transfers in July and August are probably because a scholly getting pulled.

Does the incoming frosh know that he's getting grayshirted?

The nice part about this is we'll be able to follow along on how, why and when Les gets down to 85. . . I'll start a separate thread
 

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Transfers in January and transfers after Spring practice are probably player decisions. Transfers in July and August are probably because a scholly getting pulled.

Does the incoming frosh know that he's getting grayshirted?

The nice part about this is we'll be able to follow along on how, why and when Les gets down to 85. . . I'll start a separate thread

Whatever makes u feel better is fine by me
 

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Transfers in January and transfers after Spring practice are probably player decisions. Transfers in July and August are probably because a scholly getting pulled.

Does the incoming frosh know that he's getting grayshirted?

The nice part about this is we'll be able to follow along on how, why and when Les gets down to 85. . . I'll start a separate thread


Btw, if u have problems with les, then do not research saban.........
 
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