The Great Teacher Exodus From Wisconsin Has Begun
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This could be very true. But the facts are the facts - and we can't ask everyday workers to pay higher taxes to support unreasonablly high benefits/pensions/early retirements for public workers when those same benefit levels are not avaialble to the private workers paying the taxes.
That would not be right.
Just so I understand - There is collective bargaining only on salaries, but salaries are capped at 3% or inflation? So, there is collective bargaining to negotiate if teachers can receive less than zero, zero, 1%, 2%, 3% or the rate of inflation?
Not right? WTF? Is it right for working class folks to pay higher taxes so GE can pay zero? Is it right for Goldman to get a $12 billion bailout and then hand out $14 in bonuses? Is it right for working folks to pay for a stupid war that benefits Halliburton billions? Is it right for the rich to get richer and pay less and less tax?
And it it right to fuck over teachers because the Koch Bros bought an election for Scott Walker?
You don't know right from wrong.:facepalm:
I believe that is exactly the way it works. One would have to look up the law to verify if they wanted. But that was my impression.
Was it right for unions to buy elections for years and year, handing public unions everything they wanted for years - which got us into this unsustainable position?
Thank God for Citizens United - to finally level the playing field between the unions and corporations so we can finally have fair elections again.
I just think there are too many people pist off in WI no matter what anyone thinks about teachers, Walker has effected more than just teachers, but he left police and fire fighter unions alone? Why cause they backed him. You will get more pist off voters to turn out than the content ones and you can do a study on that too.
Walker has pist far too many off and is in bed with the Kochs for fuck sake, the Kocks would love nothing more than to slit the middle classe's throat Mags. Do you agree? The Kochs don't give one shit about us and apparently Walker only cares about a select few
Walker has pist far too many off and is in bed with the Kochs for fuck sake, the Kocks would love nothing more than to slit the middle classe's throat Mags. Do you agree? The Kochs don't give one shit about us and apparently Walker only cares about a select few
I love how everyone loves to try to link Walker to Koch. Is that any different that Obama and Soros?
EVERY politician has his financial backers.
I don't agree that Walker "wants to cut middle class throat's". If he didn't balance the budget, taxes would have had to be increased greatly - on everyone, not just the "Rich". THAT would have slit "middle class throats".
You keep forgetting that only 10% of the population was affected by this legislation. Yes, it sucks to be part of that 10%. But they did benefit for a long time.
The other 90% of the folks (and the 10% with reduced take home pay) benefit by not having tax rates go up. And WI was one of the higher taxed states in the country. So there wasn't room to raise them realistically anyway.
Clearly there are people that like Walker and some that hate him. Your area, according to you, is in the hate camp. A lot of areas are in the love camp. We all get colored by the people around us - you think everyone hates him, since most of your friends do. I know a lot of people that think he is the 1st Governor we've had in 10+ years that is willing to install fiscal discipline.
There may be a recall election - and there may not be. But it is certainly not a sure thing that he is recalled. And even if he is, it won't change a thing - the budget bill won't and can't be reversed. There is too far to go to flip the assembly in WI. It will continue to be in Republican control.
And all the protests, vandalism, death threats, etc that have continued to come from the union side has just made the folks more determined to support the current agenda.
Most of our school districts are now in great shape financially due to the new budget bill. And no new taxes (if you want to see a different approach, just look how IL raised their taxes - and Rahm is still fighting with the unions in CHI).
The unions had a good thing - but they kept pumping the public goose and they ended up being too greedy and overplaying their hand. When that happens, there is always a correction. This was the correction.
Jeesh, every politician rewards his constituency. Look at Obama. His stimulus went to his union buddies. He bailed out the automakers (who deserved to go down with their failed business). Don't think for a minute that he'd have rescued them if they were union folks - no way he would have.
Not so sure about "pissed" off voters outnumering content ones. It is a very charged envirnoment in WI. Now that we have things corrected and on the right track, folks are going to get out and vote regardless.
Look at the Supreme Court race - by all rights, the pissed off voters should have voted in Klopenburg by a long shot - since the "content" voters would stay home. Didn't turn out that way. Prosser still won - even with the "content" voters staying home.
I think you underestimate the support that Walker has. They aren't as noticeable as the anti-walker folks, as they are not out protesting, vandalizing, and sending death threats. They are just good, hard working people going to work each day, without having the extra time for all the non-sense that the union is involved in (see previous sentence).
So, they left the teachers with ALL THAT? Tremendous - and they no longer have a real say in their benefits or working conditions moving forward? WONDERFUL! The worst part about this is I guess some really terrific teachers will be coming across the border now, making my road tougher. Oh well... better for our kids, I guess, and that's what we're all most concerned about, right? The best thing for the kids of our states?
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Chad - they've shown (as I posted above) that pay does not equate to children's performance.
All those teachers who are quitting - I guess it isn't about the kids for them, is it?
It's all about where you are coming from, isn't it? If you are a teacher, it sucks, and if you are a taxpayer, it is a good thing.
But that is the way it is anytime the government picks winners and losers - like the stimulus and Obamacare. Helps some, hurts others.
The situation in WI falls neatly into Obama's shared sacrifice. Private sector workers have been suffering for years. It is only appropriate that public sector workers also share in the sacrifice.
Coming from you, Tramp, I'll take that as a compliment. The further I am (and the country) is from your ideals, the better off we are.
You've gotta love how Mags spins this subject every time it comes up. He still doesn't get it. HE wants to make it about sick days and pensions, which it's NEVER been about. It's ALWAYS been about one thing and one thing only... COLLECTIVE BARGAINING rights and UNION BUSTING.
The ONLY collective bargaining right public employees in Wisconsin now have is the right to negotiate for wage increases to keep pace with the consumer price index (inflation). Why is that every one of Mags' posts on this subject come off as someone who's consumed with pettiness and jealousy over what public sector employees and unions have fought for and secured for themselves over the past 50 years? :shrug:
Trench - this one is easy. Collective bargaining should not exist for Public employees - as there is no real bargaining.
And taxpayers should not be on the hook for outrageous benefit packages handed to unions by the demorats that they put in office. It is quid-pro-quo, to the taxpayers demise.
The unions are nothing more than a special interest group. Walker did the right thing. Many states do not have collective bargaining for public employees - so don't act like WI is the ONLY state to do this.
It is for the common good, instead of the good of the special interests.
And we should be for the common good, right?
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You take it however you want, maggot. This country is going in the shit hole because of scumbags like you.
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Mags still doesn't get it.It's not hard to figure out.
Look at his posts. They're all about tearing down public sector workers and whining about how the private sector hasn't kept pace with the public sector. He's too entrenched in his myopic views to realize that instead of tearing down public sector workers, he should be fighting to lift the middle-class worker in the private sector back up to the level they were at before this country fell victim to an insidious virus known as "trickle-down economics". He's unable to see the correlation between the decline of private sector unions and the shrinking middle-class. To "level the playing field", he'd rather tear down public sector employees.
Mags summed up all anyone really needs to know about his political views when he said "Thank God for Citizens United". That's a stunningly mindless statement.
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Thanks. I forgot about that one. I was shocked someone had the nerve to post that. He is truly a piece of shit.
This country is going in the shit hole because of scumbags like you.
You're the ONE.
JMHO
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