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[Skulnik]

Old Fool posting Liberal Truth Sites, Old Fool, if you like your Liberal Sites, you can keep them.

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Says Gov. Ralph Northam "stated that he would even allow a newborn baby to come out into the world... then talk to the mother and talk to the father and then execute the baby." ? Donald Trump on Monday, February 11th, 2019 in a rally.


Trump falsely claims Northam said he'd let doctors 'execute' newborns
By Warren Fiske on Wednesday, February 20th, 2019 at 1:00 a.m.


Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam is facing national scorn for a racist photo that appears by his name in his 1984 medical school yearbook. President Donald Trump has been deriding the Democrat, but for a different reason.


Here?s what Trump said during a Feb. 11 rally in El Paso, Texas: "The governor stated that he would even allow a newborn baby to come out into the world, and wrap the baby, and make the baby comfortable, and then talk to the mother and talk to the father, and then execute the baby. Execute the baby!"


Trump made a similar statement in his State of the Union speech on Feb. 6. After criticizing New York?s recent easing of abortion restrictions, Trump said, "And then, we had the case of the Governor of Virginia where he stated he would execute a baby after birth."


Did Northam, a pediatric neurologist, really say he would "execute a baby" after birth? Northam?s comments are confusing, but Trump put words in the governor?s mouth.


The story begins on Jan. 28 when a subcommittee of the Virginia's House of Delegates was considering a Democrat-backed bill that would have loosened the state?s abortion laws in all stages of pregnancy. Much of the debate, however, focused on late-term abortions.


Virginia allows third-trimester abortions in hospitals if three physicians certify that a continued pregnancy would "likely" kill the woman or "substantially and irremediably" harm her mental or physical health. The proposed bill, which was defeated, would have lowered the authorization from three physicians to one. That doctor only would have to certify that the pregnancy would damage a woman?s health. The "substantial and irremediable" threshold would have been repealed.


The bill?s sponsor - Del. Kathy Tran, D-Fairfax - faced tough questioning from Republicans on the third-trimester proposals. Asked if the legislation would allow a woman who is dilating to get an abortion, she said, "My bill would allow that. Yes."


Video of her statement went viral, drawing partisan charges that Democrats were endorsing "infanticide." Democrats accused the GOP of launching a stunt during an election year when all 140 General Assembly seats are on the ballot. Virginia Department of Health records show two third-trimester abortions have been performed in Virginia since 2000, according to the Richmond Times-Dispatch.


Northam?s comments


Trump?s lambasting of Northam is based on confusing comments the governor made on Jan. 30 - two days after the hearing - during a radio interview on WTOP in Washington. Northam, an abortion-rights advocate, was asked to explain Tran?s statement.


"This is why decisions such as this should be made by providers, physicians, and the mothers and fathers that are involved," Northam said. "When we talk about third-trimester abortions, these are done with the consent, obviously, of the mother, with the consent of the physicians - more than one physician, by the way. It?s done in cases where there may be severe deformities. There may be a fetus that?s nonviable.


"So, in this particular example, if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen," he added. "The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that?s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother."


A number of conservative media outlets and national Republican leaders quickly accused Northam of sanctioning killing babies. Trump predicted Northam's words will "lift up the whole pro-life movement like maybe it's never been lifted up before."


Northam, during a Jan. 31 news conference, took offense at the charges but did not clarify his WTOP remarks. "I have devoted my life to caring for children and any insinuation otherwise is shameful and disgusting," he said.


Ofirah Yheskel, Northam?s communications director, issued a written statement accusing critics of twisting the governor?s words.


"No woman seeks a third-trimester abortion except in the case of tragic or difficult circumstances, such as a nonviable pregnancy or in the event of severe fetal abnormalities, and the governor's comments were limited to the actions physicians would take in the event that a woman in those circumstances went into labor," Yheskel wrote. "Attempts to extrapolate these comments otherwise is in bad faith and underscores exactly why the governor believes physicians and women, not legislators, should make these difficult and deeply personal medical decisions."


While Yheshkel?s statement added some clarity, it did not address reporters? requests for elaboration on what Northam meant by mentioning "resuscitated" and "discussion" in the same sentence about what happens to a tragically deformed newborn.


We asked Yheshkel if the governor meant that a discussion would take place between physicians and parents on whether extraordinary means should be taken to keep the baby alive. She declined to answer, saying, "I feel we?ve spelled that out, and I don?t know that I want to go beyond that."


Yheshkel added, "Any insinuation that the governor or any medical physician would do anything but provide the family with the best possible care and exhaust all options is disgusting and shameful."


Our ruling


Trump says Northam "stated that he would even allow a newborn baby to come out into the world and wrap the baby, and make the baby comfortable, and then talk to the mother and talk to the father and then execute the baby. Execute the baby."


Northam, a physician, never said he would sanction the execution of newborns. What he did say during a radio interview is that in rare, late-pregnancy cases when fetuses are nonviable, doctors deliver the baby, keep it comfortable, resuscitate it if the mother wishes, and then have a "discussion" with the mother.


The issue is that Northam declines to say what that discussion would entail. Trump puts words in the governor?s mouth, saying doctors would urge the mother to let them forcibly kill the newborn, which is a felony in Virginia punishable by a long prison sentence or death.


Trump misstates and exaggerates Northam?s words in ways that fan division. Often, that?s enough for us to torch someone?s pants. But Northam left himself open to some interpretation by declining to clarify his confusing remarks.


So we rate Trump?s statement False.




see the Pied Piper says what he wants everyone to take and run with ..

.it like the FVCKING WALL and all the other BULLSHYT he spreads just to hear himself talk.

but at some point ....Tweety Bird is just a noisy bird and you put the cloth over the cage.

Im talking about this,:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/130

Not the racist Govenor you seem to support

 

[REFLOG]

Old Fool posting Liberal Truth Sites, Old Fool, if you like your Liberal Sites, you can keep them.

:mj07:

They love being mind fucked by the media...

 

[Old School]

Old Fool posting Liberal Truth Sites, Old Fool, if you like your Liberal Sites, you can keep them.

:mj07:

you can rest assured I am no fool...but you continue to hate on your fellow man and I need not concern
myself on the fate that awaits you.


Tweety Bird will get what's coming to him...

 

[Old School]

Im talking about this,:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/130

Not the racist Govenor you seem to support

you ASSUME....NEVER GOOD TO DO..

have read through the suggested reading once. I will read through it again.Then read opposing views .
Then give you my thoughts..

 

[WhatsHisNuts]

They love being mind fucked by the media...

You can't tell the difference between an official account and a parody account on Twitter. Old School posts what Trump said and includes the ACTUAL QUOTES from Northam.......but he's the one that is being mind fucked? Holy shit.

 

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You can't tell the difference between an official account and a parody account on Twitter. Old School posts what Trump said and includes the ACTUAL QUOTES from Northam.......but he's the one that is being mind fucked? Holy shit.

AGAIN, not what I am talking about, see above
I love that you think I didnt know it was a parody, thats awesome. :0074

 

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You can't tell the difference between an official account and a parody account on Twitter. Old School posts what Trump said and includes the ACTUAL QUOTES from Northam.......but he's the one that is being mind fucked? Holy shit.

I said THEY, not he!

 

[Penguinfan]

and I stand for a women's right to decide what to do with her body..

and I stand the right for any human to choose their mate.

and I stand for every every human being and their equal rights no matter the color of the skin.

and yes I believe in abortion.

and yes I believe in the death penalty in some cases.

and if you have any other question happy to consider to answer.
:00x21

I'm curious, are you for the legalization of heroin?

 

[Skulnik]

Old Stool[/COLOR];4316986]you can rest assured I am no fool...but you continue to hate on your fellow man and I need not concern
myself on the fate that awaits you.


Tweety Bird will get what's coming to him...



Said the Hater?

Yes, your fate awaits you.

 

[Old School]

I'm curious, are you for the legalization of heroin?

No,we have to do what we can to save as many addicts as we can.

I know my addiction to alcohol was a long and nasty battle but surely worth the fight.

And I am forever grateful to those who helped me along the way.

Heroin I have been told is mighty tuff to kick but I believe the human mind can do just about anything.


But Penquinfan I do understand those who might think we can let the weak just kill themselves off.


As the human life form on this planet we simply can't let that be .

 

[Skulnik]

it's all part of her plan to lie and cheat her way to POWER.

the same tactic she used to get MONEY

and RUSSIA paid her FAT ASS!!!.


every lie.........

666!!!

Pity Really

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[Skulnik]

They love being mind fucked by the media...

Nuff Said

 

[Penguinfan]

No,we have to do what we can to save as many addicts as we can.

I know my addiction to alcohol was a long and nasty battle but surely worth the fight.

And I am forever grateful to those who helped me along the way.

Heroin I have been told is mighty tuff to kick but I believe the human mind can do just about anything.


But Penquinfan I do understand those who might think we can let the weak just kill themselves off.


As the human life form on this planet we simply can't let that be .

In as non-confrontational a tone as possible:

That actually wasn't the direction I was going at all. You said you are in favor of letting a women choose what to do with her body, I assume that goes for men as well?

The consequences of heroin are well known, nobody puts a needle in their arm thinking they are doing themselves any good whatsoever. Sex is much the same. The consequences of unprotected sex are well known and include pregnancy.

Both provide temporary enjoyment and both can, but don't always, have life long lasting effects. You feel the need to protect someone from themselves when it comes to heroin, but are willing to kill the unborn as a way out of similar bad choices. I'm not sure that's fair.

Is it a fair comparison? Probably not, but either support a person's right to do whatever the hell they want to themselves or you don't, I don't think you get to choose which moral ground to stand on when making choices for others.

Heroin bad, abortion good? Seems like an odd line to draw.

I'm not interested in killing off the bottom feeders of the world, but I am also not interested in killing the unborn and in this case, born.

 

[Old School]

Im talking about this,:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/130

2002 Born-Alive Infants Protection Act already clarifies that infanticide is illegal and which guarantees to infants born at any stage of development full legal rights.

That bill, which passed with bipartisan support, did not include criminal penalties for doctors and did not impose specific requirements on medical care.

Which makes sense to me as that should be up to the doctor and the mother.Doctors shouldn't face jail time for doing their job.

 

[Old School]

In as non-confrontational a tone as possible:

That actually wasn't the direction I was going at all. You said you are in favor of letting a women choose what to do with her body, I assume that goes for men as well?

The consequences of heroin are well known, nobody puts a needle in their arm thinking they are doing themselves any good whatsoever. Sex is much the same. The consequences of unprotected sex are well known and include pregnancy.

Both provide temporary enjoyment and both can, but don't always, have life long lasting effects. You feel the need to protect someone from themselves when it comes to heroin, but are willing to kill the unborn as a way out of similar bad choices. I'm not sure that's fair.

Is it a fair comparison? Probably not, but either support a person's right to do whatever the hell they want to themselves or you don't, I don't think you get to choose which moral ground to stand on when making choices for others.

Heroin bad, abortion good? Seems like an odd line to draw.

I'm not interested in killing off the bottom feeders of the world, but I am also not interested in killing the unborn and in this case, born.

both are subjects of public health...and should be addressed as such

 

[REFLOG]

2002 Born-Alive Infants Protection Act already clarifies that infanticide is illegal and which guarantees to infants born at any stage of development full legal rights.

That bill, which passed with bipartisan support, did not include criminal penalties for doctors and did not impose specific requirements on medical care.

Which makes sense to me as that should be up to the doctor and the mother.Doctors shouldn't face jail time for doing their job.

The Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act would require medical professionals to give the same medical care to a baby who survives an abortion as they would to any other baby of the same age, as well as to take the baby to a hospital. At this point, there is no threat to the mother life, the baby is born, cord cut, and is a human. The dems voted not to support this! Its Murder, pure and simple!

 

[Penguinfan]

both are subjects of public health...and should be addressed as such

That, sir, is a cop out. I expect as much out of Hedgie, but was hoping for better from you.

Either way:toast:

 

[Old School]

The Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act would require medical professionals to give the same medical care to a baby who survives an abortion as they would to any other baby of the same age, as well as to take the baby to a hospital. At this point, there is no threat to the mother life, the baby is born, cord cut, and is a human. The dems voted not to support this! Its Murder, pure and simple!

Yeah now Democrats are killing babies...and as we get closer to re-election time the bullhorn will be turned up even to a higher number for all to hear..

Democrats kill babies..........please..........it simply is not the case.

 

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Yeah now Democrats are killing babies...and as we get closer to re-election time the bullhorn will be turned up even to a higher number for all to hear..

Democrats kill babies..........please..........it simply is not the case.

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