UFC 119: Mir vs Cro Cop

gardenweasel

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Am I the only one who has noticed that this fight is Mir/Cro Cop. That's pretty damn close to Mirko Cro Cop, no? :142smilie My only hope is that Mir knocks out Cro Cop in this fight, because then it would be:

Mir KO Cro Cop.

See what I did there? Gotta read between the lines here, fellas. The stars are telling ya something.

Ok, maybe not. In all seriousness, I can't bet on either guy. I hear what everyone is saying about Cro Cop, and I don't disagree, but I can't put money on Mir, either. Mir could look good or he could look horrible. The only thing we know for certain is that he will probably still have that ridiculous haircut.

that was a fine bit of wordsmith-y.....well played...

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Ahhhh tank ya Weasie, tank ya. :0008

It's not exactly on the same level as my "Mitrione won't lose because of that mustache" analysis, but you have to work with what the good Lawd gave ya, right? :shrug:
 

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Yeah that doesn't look normal.

Maybe Mir will not try and work it. We know Barry would steer clear of it.
 

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Just hope Mir comes to fight and not make love to Mirko.

Remember when the ref asked Cro Cop if him and Barry were going to fight or make out. Mirko could not decide:

i.cfc
 

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funny..the cro eye photo disppeard off the site..unlese i am missing something...

and frankly..I;m no eye expert..but having my share of eye pokes , stitches, injuries in my 20 years of wrestling and fighting...that looked far worse...his didnt look that bad..unless it was done up with alotta makeup and it still appeared ok....can see why he was easily cleared by not 1 but 3 doctors...

I can see people getting caught speeding here if Miko hives a sh*t......even as bad as Cro has looked...pun...and esp if Mirs looking past him...and another...

-300 fug that...pass....
 

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funny..the cro eye photo disppeard off the site..unlese i am missing something...

I can tell you Mirko is missing something from that photo.

He is missing the ability to see out of that right eye.
Sheesh.

I think Dana must have paid the right doctors the right amount since he probably had no real replacement in line. I don't think this fight would of happened if it was not the main event.
 
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kegray thinks Dana is responsible for Global Warming and all forms of cancer.

I mean "he paid off the doctors"...really kegray...really:rolleyes:

I am sure he paid Mirko extra money not to pull out, but "paying off the doctors":facepalm:
 

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kegray thinks Dana is responsible for Global Warming and all forms of cancer.

I mean "he paid off the doctors"...really kegray...really:rolleyes:

I am sure he paid Mirko extra money not to pull out, but "paying off the doctors":facepalm:

I got no idea what goes on behind the scenes. Dana might be paying off the doctors since Sponge will tell you he sure as hell isn't paying the fighters.
 

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I've been poked in the eye where my eye was red like that. After a day or two, my eye was fine and I could see 100%. Just sorenes and redness.

Keep making yourselves believe what you want. Keep talking yourselves into believing whatever you need to LOL

You all sounds like a bunch of betters on the same side in a circle trying to convince each other that you guys made the right play.

BOL
 

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this crazy rant offsets the p.e.d. mess,imo.......:0002
 
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Stevens Guillard, im on Stevens in a close one. Got to take those odds. Just hope being at Jacksons hasn't smarten Guillard up. Stevens can bang with anyone. I think he has top five hands in the business and the kid is a warrior. This should be a great fight and i hope Gulliard stays mentally weak when the fight gets rough and he gets hurt. Moving to Jacksons camp has helped him out immensley but im just a big Stevens fan and had him big over Stout because Stout's style was right up his alley.
Mir Cro Cro,p im staying away from. The guys who say Cro Cop style is bad for Mir (another site)in my opinion are right. I just don't want to chance a guy who might want to quit after this fight (Mirko) which i get the feel after every Mirko fight. If i had to bet id take Mir but not at this price.
Bader/ Nog, Bader tends to gas a little and i could see this happen near the half way point of round 3 but I still like Bader here. Nog got kind of owned on the ground his last fight against an opponent that doesn't have Baders wrestling credentials. Experience tho goes to Nog big time and the odds look a lot better for Nog. If this was an even odds fight id go Bader.
SherK/Dunham. Former champion or not Sherk is a dumb fighter and will come in with his 9 inch reach disadvantage and get picked apart by lenth thinking he can get inside. Sherk does have a great chin but i see this going to a three round decision for Dunham. Seems like no one is touching the Lytle Serra fight. I like Lytle (small)in this one. I think Serra is starting to look a little slow with age. This should be a pretty good fight and if Serra won i wouldn't be surprised. Lytles new found ground game will be useless in this one. Buddy on another site said that Lytle only has three knockouts in his career which is surprising to me. Gonna pass on this one also. To me this isn't a good betting card cause u can build a case for most sides. Im gonna stick with Stevens and hope this stays standing in what could be a terrific fight. Really like this card. I kinda like Mitrone and why is CB Dolloway this big of a fav? That would (Doerksen) be the dog i would take a shot at. On a side note. My days of betting a Brit are history.
 
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I've been poked in the eye where my eye was red like that. After a day or two, my eye was fine and I could see 100%. Just sorenes and redness.

Keep making yourselves believe what you want. Keep talking yourselves into believing whatever you need to LOL

You all sounds like a bunch of betters on the same side in a circle trying to convince each other that you guys made the right play.

BOL

Could not agree more. At the end of the day this is a betting forum where there will be different views on this match or this fight. It is good for the forum when there is different views which are backed up with informative facts or views.

Every fight I bet on I always look at both sides for the pros and cons then make a decision to play it or move on.

So here are my pro's and cons


Better striking - people point to Mirko slowing down but I would not want to let him tee of on me. Mir has made great strides in this part of the game as shown by his fights against Kongo and Nog but this is Mirko's world

Great Takedown defense - Very few have taken Mirko down. Big Nog, Gabriel Gonzales and Saku have. Mir does not have to worry about the takedown

Good submission defense - Only Nog has submitted him, not counting JDS. Alot of this is to do with his takedown defense. Mir does not have to worry about the submission apart from maybe a guillotine as he goes in.

Age - Roughly 5 years older than Mir. His style has taken a toll on his body. 38 MMA fights, 23 K1 fights and 40 odd amateur boxing fights. Mir has less mileage on his body though for years he did not take care of it. His leg injury was a blig blow to overcome though I now believe he is in the best shape of his life.

Retirement - talk of retirement is never good. Sometimes an opponent's mouth can fuel the rage. I think Mirko will be ready.

USA - this will be only Mirko's 3rd fight in the US. All but 1 of Mir's have been in his home country. Will the travel be a factor. I don't think so

Weight - This is a problem for Mir. Bulk up and be huge or go for movement. The Lesnar fight taught him he was to small to compete at the top of the heavyweight division. So for Carwin he added muscle which did not work out as he expected. Now he is trimming down again. How will this affect him. On the ground the weight advantage is a huge plus as Mirko will have problems sweeping and cage walking. Mir talked off late as looking at 205 but decided against it. He is not a great clinch fighter so this will be an area for him to excel in.

Last Fight - Big loss for Mir both in terms of a title run and his confidence. For so long he pointed to size being the issue but it was the natural strength and size of Carwin and Lesnar that he does not process. For all the bad talk about the Barry fight Mirko did win. He suffered an injury to his eye but thought though it and got stronger and more comfortable as the fight went on. We can point to Barry's "deer in the headlights" moment but this win could have given Mirko something back that he has previously lost.

Past opponents who mirror the other - Looking back at Mirko's record the two closest to Mir would be Nog and Barnett though Barnett has better takedowns. Granted Mir can not take the kind of punishment Nog has but both have good stand up and an excellent guard. Mirko had no problems with Barnett but Nog survived a beating to get the win in one of MMA's greatest ever comebacks. For Mir he has taken on and beaten Tim Sylvia, who like Mirko wants a standup war. Mir won but Sylvia is no where near the level of Mirko. Mir has wins over one dimensional fighters in Abbot and Kongo though they do not have the takedown defense of Mirko. These stats are hard to use because MMA has so many ways to win and lose but it is always good to go back and see similarities between the two.

Reach - This goes to Mir but I Mirko has better timing so this is negated.

Injuries - Talk of the eye injury but I don't read to much in to it.

Cardio - this could be a big issue here. Mir fluctuation in weight could hinder him and Mirko looked stronger as the fight went on against Barry

Game-planning - Mirko's game plan has been the same since his first MMA fight. Mir has been known to make bad decisions. See the Carwin fight. He stayed up against the cage thinking his new found strength would help him. He was wrong

Cage - Mir has the advantage as he is the better cage fighter but Mirko has implemented cage training these past few years

Conclusion - From the above it can be argued a case for either fighter. As soon as the fight was announced my intial gut reaction was I like Mirko here. When the line came out I liked it more. The major points I see are can Mir take Mirko down?. If his first attempt fails will he get frustrated and gas quickly. Does he just decide to stand with Mirko. He has the skills but that is Mirko's world
 
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