He allowed Forest Griffin to side mount him multiple times, take his back multiple times, and get choked out.
And that is Forest Griffin.
And who are the "best wrestlersi in mma history" that he has faced. Kevin Randleman? An extremely aged Coleman?
The first time he fought coleman he was running around the ring on his hands and knees like a pig, trying to escape him.
Other than that he has only faced strikers.
Can't believe I agree with Bucs!! Hell must have frozen over!!!
STOP with the Forrest Griffin bullshit. Shogun was hurt, out of shape and obviously took Forrest lightly.
I won a lot of money on that fight as Forrest was +500 but I was still shocked that he won.
A fit Shogun kills Forrest.
I keep hearing "this is not going to be Machida on top of him". Big deal, "this is not going to be Vera underneath Jones". A fit Shogun will be constantly moving from the bottom, throwing up subs, sweeps, leglocks or trying to get to his feet.
Jones looked like complete dogshit in the third round against Bonner in his first big showcase fight. He now has tripple that pressure on him in this fight, who's to say he doesn't have another huge adrenaline dump and gas again.
We have never seen Jones fight off his back, we know Shogun is really good in all area's.
I wouldn't bet on this fight as I think Jones might just be the phenom everyone thinks he is but a fit Shogun is the real deal and +175 are good odds.
I believe Mirko would be worth a small flutter at +220 if he actually threw a kick but those day's are long gone.
Pelligrino might have the skills to hang with Tibau at +140 Never been impressed with Tibau's gas tank.
I think Assuncao is a really good bet at +145 against Koch.
Koch is used to beating guy's with subs but Assuncao is a different class on the ground. Koch could win if he keeps it standing, if it go's to the ground, he could be in for a rude awakening.
Good luck boys. :toast: :toast: :toast:
