UFC 83 - April 19th Montreal, Quebec, Canada

[ukgaz]

Of the lines released so far there is none of the underdogs that grab my attention

Starnes/Quarry
Starnes strenght's in this fight is his BJJ which far greater than Quarry's and his technical boxing. I was impressed with his hands against Belcher even in defeat though I feel he lacks power. His heart has been questioned in the past. Quarry's strenghts are his wrestling and his decent boxing and an advantage in power. I feel he has a greater will to win than Starnes. Questions remain over the state of his back but I feel if he is in shape Quarry will decide where this fight stays. I can't see Starnes taking him down and will the he may have his moments in the stand up I feel Quarry power punching will be the difference

Franklin/Lutter
Lutter's advantage is on the ground. No surprise there. I think Franklin is just more well rounded and will just maul Lutter

Bisping/McCarthy
Similar to the Franklin/Lutter fight. Charles wants this on the ground quickly and even if he does Bisping will be calm enough to wait for his moment to get back up. On the feet Bisping should not have much trouble

Danzig/Bocek
Bocek has good wrestling but Danzig is just a level above him. This should be a TKO/Sub for Mac

GSP/Serra
On paper GSP should win. But that's what they said in July. GSP will be ready this time. Is Serra's back 100%. Just can't see Serra winning this time

Hopefully there will be some good lines on the undercard

 

[rawli007]

Bocek is not just a wrestler..

Accomplishments

* 2007 UFC 79 Nemesis, Mark Bocek defeats Doug Evans by unanimous decision.
* 2007 North American Grappling Championship Advanced Division Absolute Winner
* 2007 North East Grappling Challenge Champion, 189lbs advanced
* 2007 ADCC veteran and defeated Drew Fickett 8-0 in the first round
* Defeated Garett Davis in Round 1 in King of the Cage: Capital Chaos on March 28, 2007
* Submitted John Mahlow in Round 1 at King of the Cage: Freedom Fight 2007 on January 20, 2007
* 2006 ADCC North American Trials Champion defeating Drew Puzon, Rob Kahn, Don Ortega and Mike Fowler
* Defeated Kevin Manderson in Round 1 by rear naked choke at Apex Fighting: A Night of Champions, October 14, 2006
* 2006 NAGA Ohio Championships 150-159 lb no-gi advanced Champion and the under 175 lb Black Belt Champion
* 2005 Grapplers Quest Southeast Grappling Championships no-gi pro Silver medalist and 2005 Copa Atlantica Brazilian Jiu Jitsu Championships Black Belt division Silver Medalist
* 2005 Bravado Champion, advanced and absolute
* ADCC Canadian Trials Champion in 2002 and 2004
* Professional MMA Fight Debut in 2004 at TKO 15 defeating Mark Colangelo by technical knockout
* 2003 Brasilia State Champ (Brown Belt)
* 2002 Grapplers Quest U.S. National Champion
* 2002 World Brazilian Jiu Jitsu Champion
* 3X Pan American Medalist in 1999, 2000 and 2002
* 2002 Campos Submission Wrestling Champion (Brasil) closed the division with Leo Santos
* 2000 Hawaii State Champion, Blue Belt division and open
* 5X Canadian Champion: 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, and 2001
* Multiple time Joslins Champion
* 1999 NAGA Champion, Closed division with Joe D'arce and Shawn Williams (all training with Renzo Gracie at the time)

Mac Danzig is a badass, but will have his work cut out for him submitting Bocek. Danzig has a right to be a heavy favorite and has a clear advantage in striking, but Bocek has a chance to submit anybody...

 

[BUCSnotYUCKS]

I would most certainly take Stout over Clementi. Stout has all the tools if he puts the work, effort, and skills all together in a fight to be force in that division.

Don't get me wrong, I actually think Clementi is getting better. However, it's his turn to lose. He's not a top 10 contender, and I think he'll always hoover around that mark. Stout on the other hand, I think can be a top 10 guy.

HANDS OF STONE!

 

[1837]

odds are out at Betonfighting but i'm really disapointed to see Goulet as huge underdog (thought he would be favorite) as Clementi. Stout is good but at -175 it is risky..., Jason Day was my pick but at just +260???:shrug: :nono: Hope 5dimes will have better lines...:scared

Loved Maia and Velasquez picks but at -195 and -205... :nono: Really hate those opening odds...

 

[kickserv]

5dimes odds be out soon......but guess some bookies were listening to me:mj07: ...I thought Day would be a much bigger dog......but as I said, he's a legit mma fighter odds still good on him though....let us see what the other books put out:shrug:

GSP GSP GSP........:00hour


and still upset at you 1837....so jealous:nono:

 

[1837]

and still upset at you 1837....so jealous:nono:

:tongue :fingerc:

 

[kickserv]

odds out at Betcris.........guess 5dimes scared to put out the odds on Jason Day because I will put em out of business:mj07: :mj07:

MATT SERRA +400
GEORGE ST PIERRE -500

TRAVIS LUTTER +270
RICH FRANKLIN -330

KALIB STARNES +225
NATE QUARRY -285

CHARLES MCCARTHY +280
MICHAEL BISPING -350

MARK BOCEK +375
MAC DANZIG -475

JOE DOERKSEN +150
JASON MACDONALD -180

JASON DAY +275
ALAN BELCHER -340

ED HERMAN +170
DEMIAN MAIA -210

RICH CLEMENTI +145
SAM STOUT -175

BRAD MORRIS +175
CAIN VELASQUEZ -215

JONATHAN GOULET +190
KUNIYOSHI HIRONAKA -240

 

[gardenweasel]

Of the lines released so far there is none of the underdogs that grab my attention

Starnes/Quarry
Starnes strenght's in this fight is his BJJ which far greater than Quarry's and his technical boxing. I was impressed with his hands against Belcher even in defeat though I feel he lacks power. His heart has been questioned in the past. Quarry's strenghts are his wrestling and his decent boxing and an advantage in power. I feel he has a greater will to win than Starnes. Questions remain over the state of his back but I feel if he is in shape Quarry will decide where this fight stays. I can't see Starnes taking him down and will the he may have his moments in the stand up I feel Quarry power punching will be the difference

Franklin/Lutter
Lutter's advantage is on the ground. No surprise there. I think Franklin is just more well rounded and will just maul Lutter

Bisping/McCarthy
Similar to the Franklin/Lutter fight. Charles wants this on the ground quickly and even if he does Bisping will be calm enough to wait for his moment to get back up. On the feet Bisping should not have much trouble

Danzig/Bocek
Bocek has good wrestling but Danzig is just a level above him. This should be a TKO/Sub for Mac

GSP/Serra
On paper GSP should win. But that's what they said in July. GSP will be ready this time. Is Serra's back 100%. Just can't see Serra winning this time

Hopefully there will be some good lines on the undercard

agree with alot of this...i may take a chance with starnes and lutter because the odds are good and i really think both franklin and quarry are overrated(i`ve always felt that franklin is a tad overrated...but i`m worried about lutter`s mental toughness...:shrug: )...


and muhr...you should sell used cars `cause you sold me on cain...nice analysis...i`ll have to parlay it with something cause i can`t lay -250 sight unseen...

 

[kickserv]

ok....adding Jason Day....so looks like this now:



MMA Record (since UFC 58)
--------------------------------------

Prop Bet 13-5
Fighter vs. Fighter 56-46
Parlays 24-24

+75.74 Joe Rogans


Parlay #1
------------------
GSP
Bocek

odds =$5.87 *1 Joe Rogan


Parlay #2
----------------
GSP
Starnes

odds =$4.17 *1 Joe Rogan


St. Pierre wins inside distance $1.35 *4.5 Joe Rogans

Jason Day beat Alan Belcher $4.00 *1 Joe Rogan

 

[ukgaz]

Gone for Cain as well. Also small on Herman. Such a close fight really could go either way. Hermans tools in this fight are his takedown defence and his striking. Maia wins hands down in submissions and scambles with the latter being the reason Ed opts for a stand up fight. Hope this makes the ppv

 

[dawgball]

Here are the odds that I have. Some discrepancies from what is posted above.

1 Mac Danzig -525
2 Mark Bocek +375

1 Michael Bisping -360
2 Charles McCarthy +280

1 Nathan Quarry -330
2 Kalib Starnes +250

1 Rich Franklin -400
2 Travis Lutter +300

1 Georges St. Pierre -525
2 Matt Serra +375

Obviously, not a good book for MMA due to spreads, but I don't play it so I thought I would post them just for info.

 

[dawgball]

kickserv -- avatar bet on Serra/GSP?

I'll give you a choice if you lose between these:

and

:0corn :00hour

p.s. I hope you know that I really don't think Serra has much of a shot.

 

[kickserv]

hey Dawg.......those odds are great for the fighters I like...for example.....

GSP is at -575 at some places
Bocek +365 at 5dimes
Starnes +225 at 5dimes

and the board likes Lutter (I think Franklin will most likely win) and he is +260 at 5dimes, so I'd say the book you use has great odds:SIB


oh and if Serra beats GSP.....I'll do two things:

1) Put up a Serra avatar for 1 week

and

2) Cut off my left arm with a hacksaw and eat it:SIB

 

[1837]

sooooooooooooo.......:00hour do you guys still wanna see some pics of the weight in? And pics of GOD GSP???? I'll be putting them late tomorrow when i'll come back from the post weight in party and if i'm not too wasted... :SIB :0corn

 

[kickserv]

I will watch the weigh ins on the web, but be cool to see the pics...look forward to seeing em:0corn

1837 = prick (jealous)

GSP = God

 

[gardenweasel]

oh and if Serra beats GSP.....I'll do two things:

1) Put up a Serra avatar for 1 week

and

2) Cut off my left arm with a hacksaw and eat it:SIB

g.l.,stubby.......


:grins:

 

[BUCSnotYUCKS]

I thought Yahoo carries the weigh ins and you can just check it out on there.

Anyways, I'm excited to see the main event, and the main event only.

I'd do anything to see Serra beat GSP agaaaaain!

 

[The Sponge]

p.s. I hope you know that I really don't think Serra has much of a shot.

I do. Serra has everything you need to take GSP out. Heavy hands and excellent skills. I can see GSP getting very frustrated here.

 

[dawgball]

oh and if Serra beats GSP.....I'll do two things:

1) Put up a Serra avatar for 1 week

and

2) Cut off my left arm with a hacksaw and eat it:SIB

I'll only hold you to #1...

 

[BUCSnotYUCKS]

I'll only hold you to #1...

Awe c'mon!