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Right! It's marketing genius for the misguided white American youth AND they are stupider than ever. MMA is WWE except the fights aren't (supposedly) fixed.
UFC 86: "JACKSON vs GRIFFIN", JULY 5th, LAS VEGAS, NV
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Right! It's marketing genius for the misguided white American youth AND they are stupider than ever. MMA is WWE except the fights aren't (supposedly) fixed.
kramden...don`t lose sight of the fact that mma is also very,very big in canada/the u.k/japan. and brazil.... and you can throw austrlia and the eastern block in there(rusissia/croatia)......
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Seeing a sloppy guy like Forrest win the LHW title pains me. That guy seems to have the worst elements of Tim Sylvia and Lyoto Machida.
One things for certain though, Forrest watched Quinton vs. Arona. Quinton didn't check any of Arona's kicks and consequently was hobbled badly. He learned to grab the leg when going for a triangle as well.
Here's how the judges scored the rounds:
Adalaide Byrd scored the fight 48-46. He gave 4 and 5 to Jackson and Griffin 1, 2, and 3.
Nelson Hamilton had it 48-46, with 1 and 4 for Jackson, and Griffin getting 2 10-8.
Roy Silbert had it 49-46 with only round 4 for Jackson.
http://www.f4wonline.com/content/view/5903/105/
I had the fight a draw, those judges are retarded.
One things for certain though, Forrest watched Quinton vs. Arona. Quinton didn't check any of Arona's kicks and consequently was hobbled badly. He learned to grab the leg when going for a triangle as well.
Here's how the judges scored the rounds:
Adalaide Byrd scored the fight 48-46. He gave 4 and 5 to Jackson and Griffin 1, 2, and 3.
Nelson Hamilton had it 48-46, with 1 and 4 for Jackson, and Griffin getting 2 10-8.
Roy Silbert had it 49-46 with only round 4 for Jackson.
http://www.f4wonline.com/content/view/5903/105/
I had the fight a draw, those judges are retarded.
How anyone scored RD1 Forrest I dont know.
Draw would have been fair.
10-8 RD2...??
Well that means a guy like Koscheck should have had two 10-5 rounds.
Draw would have been fair.
10-8 RD2...??
Well that means a guy like Koscheck should have had two 10-5 rounds.
Sherdog scores:
De Santis had it Jackson 49-46
Breen had it 47-47 draw
Fridley had it 47-47 draw.
That is 4 experts sitting ringside that didn't give it to Griffin, so to say Forrest clearly won is a joke.
NONE OF THE 4 GAVE GRIFFIN ROUND ONE.
De Santis had it Jackson 49-46
Breen had it 47-47 draw
Fridley had it 47-47 draw.
That is 4 experts sitting ringside that didn't give it to Griffin, so to say Forrest clearly won is a joke.
NONE OF THE 4 GAVE GRIFFIN ROUND ONE.
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Round 1
The fighters trade punches at the sound of the bell with nothing connecting solid. Griffin gets the action started with a right hand lead that lands. Griffin is working the lead leg of Jackson early with low kicks. A left hook from the champion finds its target. Griffin jabs with his left and goes back to Jackson's leg with a kick. A punching flurry punctuated by powerful left staggers Griffin. The challenger comes forward however, glancing a right straight and a low kick. A right uppercut counter collapsesGriffin to the canvas. Rampage enters Griffin's guard and moves him to the cage. Right hands land for Jackson as Forrest stood. Excellent opening frame.
TJ De Santis scores the round 10-9 Jackson
Jordan Breen scores the round 10-9 Jackson
Mike Fridley scores the round 10-9 Jackson
Round 2
Griffin lands a low kick that hurts Jackson. His knee buckles as he retreats to the fencing. Griffin locks on a guillotine and trips Jackson to the canvas. He gives up the hold but takes top position. The challenger moves to side-control and works for an Americana. He gives up the submission to take the mount. Elbows and left hands land for Griffin. Forrest continues to elbow the head but he is doing little damage. All Griffin in the second frame.
TJ De Santis scores the round 10-9 Griffin
Jordan Breen scores the round 10-8 Griffin
Mike Fridley scores the round 10-8 Griffin
Round 3
Griffin continues his assault on Jackson's left leg. Jackson is avoiding the majority of the incoming low kicks, but a few are getting through. Jackson, limping badly, is looking for a knockout punch. He hurts Griffin with a right hand but is now too slow to follow through. Griffin plays it smart by sticking and moving. Jackson tries to rally late in the round with a combination started with a right hook to the body. Griffin takes a bit of punishment but moves away.
TJ De Santis scores the round 10-9 Jackson
Jordan Breen scores the round 10-9 Jackson
Mike Fridley scores the round 10-9 Griffin
Round 4
Jackson gets a takedown but is caught in a triangle. Griffin has the hold secured but he can't control Jackson's trapped arm. Jackson escapes but finds himself fighting an omaplata. The champion stands and lands a hard right hand on the now bleeding challenger. Forrest, dripping crimson fluid below his right eye, gets hit with a strong left right as the round closed.
TJ De Santis scores the round 10-9 Jackson
Jordan Breen scores the round 10-9 Jackson
Mike Fridley scores the round 10-9 Jackson
Round 5
The fifth and final round starts with both fighters looking for a big punch. Griffin gets the best of early action with a right straight. Griffin goes back to the leg with a kick after tasting a right hook. Jackson turns it up a bit with a strong flurry. In the bout's final minute, Griffin went to the leg while Jackson loaded up with shots. Jackson was unable to connect as the close fight came to a close.
TJ De Santis scores the round 10-9 Jackson
Jordan Breen scores the round 10-9 Griffin
Mike Fridley scores the round 10-9 Griffin
The fighters trade punches at the sound of the bell with nothing connecting solid. Griffin gets the action started with a right hand lead that lands. Griffin is working the lead leg of Jackson early with low kicks. A left hook from the champion finds its target. Griffin jabs with his left and goes back to Jackson's leg with a kick. A punching flurry punctuated by powerful left staggers Griffin. The challenger comes forward however, glancing a right straight and a low kick. A right uppercut counter collapsesGriffin to the canvas. Rampage enters Griffin's guard and moves him to the cage. Right hands land for Jackson as Forrest stood. Excellent opening frame.
TJ De Santis scores the round 10-9 Jackson
Jordan Breen scores the round 10-9 Jackson
Mike Fridley scores the round 10-9 Jackson
Round 2
Griffin lands a low kick that hurts Jackson. His knee buckles as he retreats to the fencing. Griffin locks on a guillotine and trips Jackson to the canvas. He gives up the hold but takes top position. The challenger moves to side-control and works for an Americana. He gives up the submission to take the mount. Elbows and left hands land for Griffin. Forrest continues to elbow the head but he is doing little damage. All Griffin in the second frame.
TJ De Santis scores the round 10-9 Griffin
Jordan Breen scores the round 10-8 Griffin
Mike Fridley scores the round 10-8 Griffin
Round 3
Griffin continues his assault on Jackson's left leg. Jackson is avoiding the majority of the incoming low kicks, but a few are getting through. Jackson, limping badly, is looking for a knockout punch. He hurts Griffin with a right hand but is now too slow to follow through. Griffin plays it smart by sticking and moving. Jackson tries to rally late in the round with a combination started with a right hook to the body. Griffin takes a bit of punishment but moves away.
TJ De Santis scores the round 10-9 Jackson
Jordan Breen scores the round 10-9 Jackson
Mike Fridley scores the round 10-9 Griffin
Round 4
Jackson gets a takedown but is caught in a triangle. Griffin has the hold secured but he can't control Jackson's trapped arm. Jackson escapes but finds himself fighting an omaplata. The champion stands and lands a hard right hand on the now bleeding challenger. Forrest, dripping crimson fluid below his right eye, gets hit with a strong left right as the round closed.
TJ De Santis scores the round 10-9 Jackson
Jordan Breen scores the round 10-9 Jackson
Mike Fridley scores the round 10-9 Jackson
Round 5
The fifth and final round starts with both fighters looking for a big punch. Griffin gets the best of early action with a right straight. Griffin goes back to the leg with a kick after tasting a right hook. Jackson turns it up a bit with a strong flurry. In the bout's final minute, Griffin went to the leg while Jackson loaded up with shots. Jackson was unable to connect as the close fight came to a close.
TJ De Santis scores the round 10-9 Jackson
Jordan Breen scores the round 10-9 Griffin
Mike Fridley scores the round 10-9 Griffin
and a different view
- Quinton Jackson vs. Forrest Griffin
R1 - Forrest came out setting the pace, landing leg kicks and getting the better of the exchanges. Griffin is out moving the champion. Jackson stunned Griffin with an uppercut but came firing back. Jackson dropped Griffin with an uppercut and worked him over to the cage. Griffin worked back to his feed and both fighters are throwing bombs. MMAWeekly scored the round 10-9 for Quinton Jackson.
R2 - Griffin landed an outside leg kick that hurt Jackson. Griffin clinches him and landes several knees to Jackson's head. Griffin follows Jackson down into Jackson's half guard and landed short elbows. Griffin moved to side control and slapped on an americana. Griffin is dominating Jackson on the ground. Griffin mounted Jackson and landed multiple elbows. Griffin grounded and pounded Jackson for the better part of the final two minutes of the round. MMAWeekly scores the second round 10-8 for Forrest Griffin.
R3 - The pace slowed in the third wth Griffin working more kicks and Jackson trying to load up and end it in an exchange. Jackson staggered Griffin with a right hand. The fight has turned into each fighter picking their spots to try to flurry on the other. Griffin flurried late in the round that had Jackson chasing after him as the round ended. MMAWeekly scores round three 10-9 for Griffin.
R4 - Griffin came out moving forward but in an exhcange, Jackson landed a combination to Griffin forcing Griffin to clinch. Jackson lands in top position where Griffin applied a triangle. Jackson picked Griffin up and slammed his way out of the submission. Jackson lands punches and elbows before Griffin gets back to his feet eating a punch in the process. Jackson landed a right hand but Griffin is still in front of him. Jackson lands a combination as the round ends. MMAWeekly scores round four 10-9 for Jackson.
R5 - The crowd chants "Forrest" as the final round starts. They're standing toe-to-toe in the center of the octagon. Griffin lands a big leg kick and Jackson answers with a right hand. Griggin the more active fighter peppering Jackson with jabs and leg kicks. The multitude of leg kicks have taken it's toll on Jackson. Both fighters just threw bombs for the final for the final half minute. MMAWeekly scores the final round 10-9 for Griffin.
- Forrest Griffin def. Quinton Jackson by unanimous decision at 5:00, R5
- Quinton Jackson vs. Forrest Griffin
R1 - Forrest came out setting the pace, landing leg kicks and getting the better of the exchanges. Griffin is out moving the champion. Jackson stunned Griffin with an uppercut but came firing back. Jackson dropped Griffin with an uppercut and worked him over to the cage. Griffin worked back to his feed and both fighters are throwing bombs. MMAWeekly scored the round 10-9 for Quinton Jackson.
R2 - Griffin landed an outside leg kick that hurt Jackson. Griffin clinches him and landes several knees to Jackson's head. Griffin follows Jackson down into Jackson's half guard and landed short elbows. Griffin moved to side control and slapped on an americana. Griffin is dominating Jackson on the ground. Griffin mounted Jackson and landed multiple elbows. Griffin grounded and pounded Jackson for the better part of the final two minutes of the round. MMAWeekly scores the second round 10-8 for Forrest Griffin.
R3 - The pace slowed in the third wth Griffin working more kicks and Jackson trying to load up and end it in an exchange. Jackson staggered Griffin with a right hand. The fight has turned into each fighter picking their spots to try to flurry on the other. Griffin flurried late in the round that had Jackson chasing after him as the round ended. MMAWeekly scores round three 10-9 for Griffin.
R4 - Griffin came out moving forward but in an exhcange, Jackson landed a combination to Griffin forcing Griffin to clinch. Jackson lands in top position where Griffin applied a triangle. Jackson picked Griffin up and slammed his way out of the submission. Jackson lands punches and elbows before Griffin gets back to his feet eating a punch in the process. Jackson landed a right hand but Griffin is still in front of him. Jackson lands a combination as the round ends. MMAWeekly scores round four 10-9 for Jackson.
R5 - The crowd chants "Forrest" as the final round starts. They're standing toe-to-toe in the center of the octagon. Griffin lands a big leg kick and Jackson answers with a right hand. Griggin the more active fighter peppering Jackson with jabs and leg kicks. The multitude of leg kicks have taken it's toll on Jackson. Both fighters just threw bombs for the final for the final half minute. MMAWeekly scores the final round 10-9 for Griffin.
- Forrest Griffin def. Quinton Jackson by unanimous decision at 5:00, R5
Back in action..
Back in action..
..after spending the weekend on vacation. :SIB
Had a good event going 2-0... trying to get back in the green. :SIB
+ 2.81 Ginas on the night
- 2.24 Ginas total.... (since UFC 85 on 6/21/08)
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Back in action..
..after spending the weekend on vacation. :SIB
Had a good event going 2-0... trying to get back in the green. :SIB
+ 2.81 Ginas on the night
- 2.24 Ginas total.... (since UFC 85 on 6/21/08)
:spotting:
Its a shame Kick only bets dogs because he would have watch the fight we did if he had no money on it. Bottom line is that in the UFC they love upsets and all close rounds go to the likeable guy. If these two guys fought and there was no title involved then maybe just maybe i could fool with the scores and give it to Forrest. Again to take that belt away from Rampage was a joke. Lay said this was similar to Jardine Liddel and i have to totally disagree with that. Jardine deserved that fight. He knocked Chuck down twice i believe and Chuck had to almost carry his leg home as many times as he lit it up as well as the side of his body. At no time did Forrest even daze Rampage. Looks like Fedor is gonna need a knockout cause if it goes to a decision Kicks judges will never give it to Fedor.
Sorry UT was out of town.. thought both guys were surefire winners and it turned out i was right.. :00hour
Gotta love being right.. :00hour
Both fights were MAJOR mismatches and it showed.
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I know several people who are becoming MMA fans. And I know very few tattooed skateboarders.
Is this a popular sport with teenagers? I wouldn't be shocked by it, but I think their #1 market is the 25-35 male, isn't it? Not that you can't get tattoos and board at this age...
How much does "ring control" weigh in on judge's score cards? It's always mentioned but I don't know how much weight it really has. I think we will agree that most of the time Griffin "controlled" the ring moreso than Jackson... :shrug:
Just searching for some common ground.
Is this a popular sport with teenagers? I wouldn't be shocked by it, but I think their #1 market is the 25-35 male, isn't it? Not that you can't get tattoos and board at this age...
How much does "ring control" weigh in on judge's score cards? It's always mentioned but I don't know how much weight it really has. I think we will agree that most of the time Griffin "controlled" the ring moreso than Jackson... :shrug:
Just searching for some common ground.
i wanted very badly to give jackson rd 5 and bitch about how i got robbed of my parlay....
he just didn`t do anything for the first 4 minutes...
after watching ali in his golden years fraud the boxing public by laying on the ropes for 2 and a half minutes of a round and then throw a meaningless flashy flurry or two to end the round and have the judges and blind fans have an orgasm,i have always been very conscious of rewarding guys for at least trying...
rampage sat on his hands for long stretches in that fight...
i thought he looked unprepared...and i think he respected griffin`s punching power WAY to much....
i think that`s one of griffin`s true weaknesses...he doesn`t commit when he punches anymore...he punches moving away.....
he`s gonna have trouble down the road finishing guys that don`t gas...
he just didn`t do anything for the first 4 minutes...
after watching ali in his golden years fraud the boxing public by laying on the ropes for 2 and a half minutes of a round and then throw a meaningless flashy flurry or two to end the round and have the judges and blind fans have an orgasm,i have always been very conscious of rewarding guys for at least trying...
rampage sat on his hands for long stretches in that fight...
i thought he looked unprepared...and i think he respected griffin`s punching power WAY to much....
i think that`s one of griffin`s true weaknesses...he doesn`t commit when he punches anymore...he punches moving away.....
he`s gonna have trouble down the road finishing guys that don`t gas...
I only saw him have ring control in the 2nd Round.
He was on the bottom in the first round. Rounds 3,4,5 were all stand up. Not sure how that can be labeled as ring control for either.
Was Griffin more active sure doesn't mean he was in control.I never said boy Griffin is in controlling the action.The bigger blows were CLEARLY landed bu Jackson and it is not like he only threw a few. Jackson was picking his spots and LANDING BIG. He fought a smart fight considering he was on a jacked up knee.
I knew Rampage was playing the good ole company man after the fight. Different story today where he feels his title was wrongfully taken from him. Round two there couldn't of been a better spot for Rampage to rest his knee. Guys are wondering why he wasn't getting up. Why would he try to push up with a wounded knee? Absolute last thing he would have wanted to do. He would have been a fool to try and stand back up. He also stopped everything Forrest threw at him when he was on the bottom. If ever there was a time to demand a rematch it is this one.
why was he resting in round TWO?......cardio?.....d`he hit his knee on the fencepost?....did a midget slip into his corner and bite his patellar tendon?...
ummm,no.....griffin kicked the shit out of his knee in round one...and the beginning of round two...
the most damage done in this fight was to rampage`s leg....and he had some nice sub attempts thrown on his ass......
seemed like he had no problem avoiding the kicks in the last few rounds.....where was rampage`s head early?...the guy couldn`t hurt him with punches...
sure it`s easy to say,"shit,now that i`ve had a good night`s sleep and nobody`s kicking me or punching me,i won that fight"...
when it was fresh...right after the battle,rampage had no problem with admitting he lost...
it`s his own damned fault....he SHOULD have beaten griffin....
he really didn`t show me much at all...
that`s my opinion....it`s not gettin` me my wager back....
lets hope next time rampage has his game face on...
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This is funny that some think Rampage won.....no way Rampage won that fight.....saying that Rampage was "ripped off" is just plain funny:mj07:
Forest deserved to win that fight and he won that fight, it is as simple as that.
Yes there are fights with wacky decisions...this ain't one of em. It was crystal clear to me that Forest won. How you could give Rampage the win is beyond me :shrug:
There is no conspiracy here, there is no "rigged judge" or anything, let's move on. Forest won, if he didn't then GSP sucks, Tim Sylvia is the most exciting fighter ever, and Kimbo is unbeatable:142smilie
Forest deserved to win that fight and he won that fight, it is as simple as that.
Yes there are fights with wacky decisions...this ain't one of em. It was crystal clear to me that Forest won. How you could give Rampage the win is beyond me :shrug:
There is no conspiracy here, there is no "rigged judge" or anything, let's move on. Forest won, if he didn't then GSP sucks, Tim Sylvia is the most exciting fighter ever, and Kimbo is unbeatable:142smilie
He was resting the knee which was at its worse point. Kinda like a boxer who takes every second of a ten count.:shrug: Cardio what in the world are you talking about?:shrug:
He admitted he lost because it was the right thing to do at that moment and that is why he did it. I knew he would come out and say he thought he won i just thought it would happen later down the road. Given close rounds to a challenger is a joke. Especially the ones Forrest allegedly won besides round two. All this talk about Rampage did nothing in Round five reminds me of the Winky/Taylor 12th round. Neither fighter did anything but when Rampage threw a punch you felt at anytime Forrest could get knocked out. You never had that feeling with Forrest. round 1 to Forrest when he got knocked on his ass:mj07: :mj07: :mj07:
