UFC 98 "EVANS vs MACHIDA", May 23rd, Las Vegas, NV

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2009 record 12-4 +27.01 units

I've decided I'm going with Machida here I'm just not sure how much. I'm think 3 units but to lose 6 would be a killer so it might be just 2. I was BIG on both Tito and Chuck and a good size play on Forrest. I thought I had learned my lesson going against Rashad but I just can't see him beating Machida.

MY BIG worry is that Rashad goes for takedowns over and over. We have no idea how good his control on the ground will be. I know he's a good wrestler but he wasn't great. And the big thing is he wrestled at 174, that's a big differnce from trying to get a guy Machidas size to the ground.

On the other side, do we really know how good Machidas chin is? I'm trying to think of a time I've seen it tagged and I can't think of one. I know it's because he's very elusize but he hasn't fought the best strikers either.

When it comes down to it, I'll probably suck it up and put 3 down on it but I'll wait. I always like to see weigh ins when I'm on the fence.
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I can see ur chest pumping the minute this fight starts :mj07: U should have sat this one out like me and enjoyed the fight. then again if u win im sure that will be enjoyable enuf. Good luck Lay.
 
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Can anybody tell me if judges are allowed to score even rds in UFC, in case they feel no one had an advantage in the rd ?
 
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Crow....yes judges can do a 10-10 round, although 99 percent of the time they don't. Stupid really, many times a round is a clear 10-10, but the judges never seem to give a 10-10. Why they don't give 10-10's more often boggles the mind.

And here is a stat for ya, from UFC 51 to UFC 97 97% of all rounds have been scored 10-9. So that pretty much tells you how rare you see a 10-8 or 10-10 round in the UFC:scared


I may be wrong but I think the Kalib Starnes/Nate Quarry fight had a 10-7 round, but may be wrong on that.


Note: In last Sengoku event, there were two fights where 10-10 rounds were awarded.
 
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I hate round by round scoring, but maybe it's just me.

Well, let me put it like this....I think fights should be decided as a whole, and not just round by round. It just seems to me that if you just manage a close 10-9, 10-9 for 2 rounds, and then proceed to get dominated, yet only lose 9-10 in the 3rd, you win the fight.

I like the structure of round by round scoring, but I don't think the scoring should be official, and the scoring should be be a mirror "note."

Like Kickserv said, 97% of the time since 51 all rounds are 10-9...really? What a giant loophole.

I know one thing is for sure, if I'm an upcoming fighter and I haven't made a name for myself, I wouldn't have a problem eeking out 2 rounds, then dodging a 3rd round just so I can win a decision. Afterall, these unheard of guys don't make alot of money...
 
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I hate round by round scoring, but maybe it's just me.

Well, let me put it like this....I think fights should be decided as a whole, and not just round by round. It just seems to me that if you just manage a close 10-9, 10-9 for 2 rounds, and then proceed to get dominated, yet only lose 9-10 in the 3rd, you win the fight.

I like the structure of round by round scoring, but I don't think the scoring should be official, and the scoring should be be a mirror "note."

Like Kickserv said, 97% of the time since 51 all rounds are 10-9...really? What a giant loophole.

I know one thing is for sure, if I'm an upcoming fighter and I haven't made a name for myself, I wouldn't have a problem eeking out 2 rounds, then dodging a 3rd round just so I can win a decision. Afterall, these unheard of guys don't make alot of money...
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i agree Rowdy. They should grade rounds 1 to ten with 10 being the highest and then add the three or five rounds up at the end of the fight. To many times u see a guy pretty much dominate a round and get a 10-9 then the next round the opponent ecks out the round and all the sudden u are tied 1 - 1 going into the third when i n fact the guy that won the first round should be in the lead.
 
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Due to change in fight card, my selections have changed....here are the updated selections:



MMA Record (since UFC 58)
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Prop Bet 24-20
Fighter vs. Fighter 131-201
Parlays 65-83

+36.67 Joe Rogans


Matt Serra beat #1 Prick in MMA $3.15 (+215) *2 Joe Rogans

Matt Serra beat #1 Prick in MMA $3.20 (+220) *1.5 Joe Rogans

Matt Serra wins inside distance $3.94 (+294) *1 Joe Rogan

Brandon Wolff beat Yoshiyuki Yoshida $4.50 (+350) *1 Joe Rogan

Tim Hague beat Patrick Barry $3.55 (+255) *1 Joe Rogan

David Kaplan beat George Roop $2.30 (+130) *1 Joe Rogan

Kyle Bradley beat Phillipe Nover $3.90 (+290) *1 Joe Rogan

Krzysztof Soszynski beat Andre Gusmao $2.35 (+135) *2.5 Joe Rogans

Drew McFedries beat Xavier Foupa-Pokam $2.60 (+160) *1 Joe Rogan


Parlay
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Lyoto Machida
Sean Sherk

odds = $1.94 (-106) *2 Joe Rogans
 
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The scoring is the one thing that has always turned me off as well.
10-8 rounds are rare,but 10-10 rounds are even more rare. So the first round can be slow with no clear winner and hard to score a 10-9 but they do anyway. Next round the guy that was scored a 9 for no real reason other than less cage control can dominate the guy and it goes tot he 3rd a toss up on the scorecard.
5 round fights have a way of getting the fight right this way but 3 round fights can be won or lost by simply not doing enough work in one round. You can not take a round off in MMA unlike boxing.
 
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The scoring is the one thing that has always turned me off as well.
10-8 rounds are rare,but 10-10 rounds are even more rare. So the first round can be slow with no clear winner and hard to score a 10-9 but they do anyway. Next round the guy that was scored a 9 for no real reason other than less cage control can dominate the guy and it goes tot he 3rd a toss up on the scorecard.
5 round fights have a way of getting the fight right this way but 3 round fights can be won or lost by simply not doing enough work in one round. You can not take a round off in MMA unlike boxing.
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Which is why I've kinda liked the 10min-5min-5min format the Pride would use.

I just hate knowing that you can Lyoto Machida your way to wins and not do much damage, but just do more or eek a close decisions.

I know people say you never want it to goto the scorecards because of the judges, yada yada, but that doesn't change the fact that you can still control decisions just for fighting 2 of the 3 rounds...

With Cecil Peoples, you really never know though!
 
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They could change some things but all in all I think it works.

The one thing I would like to see is the yellow card(or whatever color it was) that Pride used. If you're not fighting then you get the card and your bonus or fight money gets cut. Start taking money away and guys start fighting.

People can complain about Machida but what's he suppose to do, look good and ko people or win? Winning keeps you getting paid longer, looking good and exciting will get you booted from the UFC if you don't win consistantly.

Rowdy, I know it was probably just a typo but Pride was one 10min round and one 5min round.
I like that for regular fights but what do you do in championship fights? Really 5 rounds in the champ fights aren't needed very often.
 
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fyi, we have weigh ins today on ufc.com.

I'm very interested to see how Sherk looks. I'll be running with the same parlay as kick if he looks good and thick. If he's lost a lot of mass then I'll take a chance on Edgar.
 
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layinwood said:
They could change some things but all in all I think it works.

The one thing I would like to see is the yellow card(or whatever color it was) that Pride used. If you're not fighting then you get the card and your bonus or fight money gets cut. Start taking money away and guys start fighting.

People can complain about Machida but what's he suppose to do, look good and ko people or win? Winning keeps you getting paid longer, looking good and exciting will get you booted from the UFC if you don't win consistantly.

Rowdy, I know it was probably just a typo but Pride was one 10min round and one 5min round.
I like that for regular fights but what do you do in championship fights? Really 5 rounds in the champ fights aren't needed very often.
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Yes, too many 5's...

I think the yellow card is the best thing. It forces action.

But like I said...I don't blame Lyoto Machida...or any other fighter out there. The system allows and calls for the style of fights we see.
 
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hughes looked much bigger than serra.....i think serra belongs at 155...

as much as hughes has slipped,i`m beginning to think he`ll be too strong...
 
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hughes looked much bigger than serra.....i think serra belongs at 155...

as much as hughes has slipped,i`m beginning to think he`ll be too strong...
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hughes' physique hasn't been as big and lean in awhile, he's trained hard for this fight. he left the ass kissers and yes men he normally trains with and spent some time training with sherk.
 
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brainiac..i looked...but i`ve never been able to find a replay directly after a ufc weigh-in....

not sure about this morning...if i see something i`ll post it....

g.l. tonight...
 
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