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Cotto not impressive looking in this light workout.
 

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Talent compared to the in ring performance, Taylor is a bigger version of Judah.....

It really is time people stop believing in both....

AT LEAST THEY BOTH FIGHT THE BEST AND DONT DUCK AND DODGE PEOPLE ALA NO MONEY MAY, ROY J, ETC. NEITHER HAVE EVER BACKED DOWN FROM A FIGHT AND THERE ARE ONLY A HANDFUL OF FIGHTERS OUT THERE YOU CAN SAY THAT ABOUT.
 

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Here's a couple of Jermain Taylor quotes:

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p4p there are a lot of good boxing books around.
Some of them are sponsors here like 5dimes and sportsbook.com
They all got lines for this fight.

I USED TO USE SPORTSBOOK BUT HAVE NO MONEY IN THAT ACCOUNT ANYMORE.I'M NOT SURE IM GOING TO DEPOSIT ANY MONEY IN JUST FOR THIS BET ESPECIALLY BECAUSE I PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BET ABOUT $50. JUST GOT OFF THE PHONE WITH BETED AND THEY DONT OFFER BOXING ODDS? WHATS UP WITH THAT? :shrug:
 

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AT LEAST THEY BOTH FIGHT THE BEST AND DONT DUCK AND DODGE PEOPLE ALA NO MONEY MAY, ROY J, ETC. NEITHER HAVE EVER BACKED DOWN FROM A FIGHT AND THERE ARE ONLY A HANDFUL OF FIGHTERS OUT THERE YOU CAN SAY THAT ABOUT.


Sorry to break the news to you, but Judah recently has ducked out of a fight with Mosley. Even a month ago he turned down a fight against Antonio Diaz. While in a fight against Clottey, he tapped out once the going got tough in there. You are forgetting to mention all this......
 

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:mj07: Are you serious? those negotiations were minimal at best. mosley has no reason to fight zab. if anyone backed out it was mosley. hes holdin out for the big names. why would he even want to fight him at this point in his career? it has no value, makes no sense and makes no money.

I'll give you Anonio Diaz......

Yeah, he tapped out against clottey? So what? at least he FOUGHT him which is the point i was making.
 

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as a matter of fact the only thing mosley has been trying to do since pac ko'd hatton was get him or no money mayweather into the ring. the only other fight on the table for him was berto or clottey.
 

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I USED TO USE SPORTSBOOK BUT HAVE NO MONEY IN THAT ACCOUNT ANYMORE.I'M NOT SURE IM GOING TO DEPOSIT ANY MONEY IN JUST FOR THIS BET ESPECIALLY BECAUSE I PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BET ABOUT $50. JUST GOT OFF THE PHONE WITH BETED AND THEY DONT OFFER BOXING ODDS? WHATS UP WITH THAT? :shrug:

All this talk over a 50.oo wager??? You have got to be kidding. That's what you are "taking to the bank" :142smilie :142smilie :142smilie. For half a second I thought you might be a serious gambler.
 

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All this talk over a 50.oo wager??? You have got to be kidding. That's what you are "taking to the bank" :142smilie :142smilie :142smilie. For half a second I thought you might be a serious gambler.


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:mj07: Are you serious? those negotiations were minimal at best. mosley has no reason to fight zab. if anyone backed out it was mosley. hes holdin out for the big names. why would he even want to fight him at this point in his career? it has no value, makes no sense and makes no money.

I'll give you Anonio Diaz......

Yeah, he tapped out against clottey? So what? at least he FOUGHT him which is the point i was making.

Bad news my friend, the Mosley/Judah fight was pretty much a done deal, they just had to fight. The only reason the fight was off was because Zab "claimed" he slipped in the shower and cut his arm when it broke into the glass. They had an HBO date and everything already to go. Zab is the one that pulled out.

My point with the Clottey fight, like when he fought Mayweather, Zab doesn't have a true fighters heart. He's a front runner who starts well. Midway in the fight, everything starts to crumble on him and he looks for a way out.

As long as Zab's career has been (43 fights) his overall resume on wins and top opponents faced isn't great. His best win was Spinks, by far. His next best win is who? Corley I suppose. That isn't saying much. As far as the BIG names he has fought, you're looking at two superstars (PBF and Cotto) three good fighters (Spinks, Zoo and Clottey) and some up and down guys (Corley, Baldomir, Witter, Ward). For a career that long, you'd expect more fights against good fighters.

Back to my first statement, Judah and Taylor are the same type of person. Somebody that appears to have the overall talent to make it in the sport, plus they both started their careers in that direction. However, both lately have fumbled the ball and keep doing so. Taylor can be up 11 rounds to none and will still find a way to get KO'd on Sat.. night. It's in his nature to blow it.....
 

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The largest single bet I have ever made is Clottey over Judah
I also bet Kostya over Zab
and Floyd over Zab
and then I went with Zab to beat Spinks in their rematch

If Taylor is my curse, Zab is my goldmine! I love it when he fights !

Can you imagine what Shane would have done to Zab had they fought?
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Bad news my friend, the Mosley/Judah fight was pretty much a done deal, they just had to fight. The only reason the fight was off was because Zab "claimed" he slipped in the shower and cut his arm when it broke into the glass. They had an HBO date and everything already to go. Zab is the one that pulled out.

My point with the Clottey fight, like when he fought Mayweather, Zab doesn't have a true fighters heart. He's a front runner who starts well. Midway in the fight, everything starts to crumble on him and he looks for a way out.

As long as Zab's career has been (43 fights) his overall resume on wins and top opponents faced isn't great. His best win was Spinks, by far. His next best win is who? Corley I suppose. That isn't saying much. As far as the BIG names he has fought, you're looking at two superstars (PBF and Cotto) three good fighters (Spinks, Zoo and Clottey) and some up and down guys (Corley, Baldomir, Witter, Ward). For a career that long, you'd expect more fights against good fighters.

Back to my first statement, Judah and Taylor are the same type of person. Somebody that appears to have the overall talent to make it in the sport, plus they both started their careers in that direction. However, both lately have fumbled the ball and keep doing so. Taylor can be up 11 rounds to none and will still find a way to get KO'd on Sat.. night. It's in his nature to blow it.....

i disagree that zab and taylor "are the same type of person".....taylor may not utilize his natural talent properly in all his fights...but by all reports,he`s a relatively decent guy...a straight shooter(in spite of his recent brush with the law in miami....i do think maybe grasping defeat from the jaws of victory vs froch may be affecting taylor negatively)....

judah is also an underachiever,but to say that judah is a steaming p.o.s. is an insult to steaming pieces of shit everywhere....his entire career is littered with craziness and controversy...

i really don`t think taylor has come close to reaching judah`s level of feckless arrogance and ignorance...
 

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Nobody besides Weepaul like Hernandez? He is still at -155 and line didn't moved for a while. I thought line will move to somewhere -225 and move fast.
I think he will cruse to decision win over Licina.
 

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Hey Romi, take it easy on the kid. Just because you're a "whale", for some guys $50-$100 clams has some significance. Don't discourage posters from offering opinions by derision. It doesn't serve any purpose. I think he is, as Alan Greespan the former Fed chairman used to say, is having a bout of "irrational exuberance", but we shall see. Keep posting p4p and bet what's comfortable for you.
 

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Hey Romi, take it easy on the kid. Just because you're a "whale", for some guys $50-$100 clams has some significance. Don't discourage posters from offering opinions by derision. It doesn't serve any purpose. I think he is, as Alan Greespan the former Fed chairman used to say, is having a bout of "irrational exuberance", but we shall see. Keep posting p4p and bet what's comfortable for you.

Good post frankie.
Diversity of opinion leads to healthy debates...I agree.
It was just funny because his opinion is so strong...and the bet...not so much
 

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True ghost, but he obviously gets excited regardless of the dollar amount. Why burst someone's bubble, even if it's a little one? See, now I'm a smart ass!!!! This stuff is contagious!
 

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Another sports book open Hernandez at only -135! And over 9.5 +125! To me this is great prices but who knows oddsmakers are smart people, hopefully this is one of those times where they get it wrong.
Nobody besides Weepaul like Hernandez? He is still at -155 and line didn't moved for a while. I thought line will move to somewhere -225 and move fast.
I think he will cruse to decision win over Licina.
 

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WOW! Where do i start.....I leave this thread for two hours and now im just getting pissed on!

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