Boxing 4/27 - 4/30
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Very close fight, one bad score
Very close fight, one bad score
It looked to me like Smith 115-113, I thought he eked out the last two rounds. He fought a Bernard Hopkins type of bout towards the end TBH, landing a shot and falling in and pushing Simpson back (same sort of tactics as in the later rounds of the first fight). A draw would have been a good decision (especially for Lord of the Lunch!) but 118-112 in Smith's favour by Terry O'Connor was clearly absurd, a bad score from an official much criticised for his scoring in the first Fury vs McDermott fight.. ... Interestingly, all three pundits in the Sky studio had it a draw.
Very close fight, one bad score
It looked to me like Smith 115-113, I thought he eked out the last two rounds. He fought a Bernard Hopkins type of bout towards the end TBH, landing a shot and falling in and pushing Simpson back (same sort of tactics as in the later rounds of the first fight). A draw would have been a good decision (especially for Lord of the Lunch!) but 118-112 in Smith's favour by Terry O'Connor was clearly absurd, a bad score from an official much criticised for his scoring in the first Fury vs McDermott fight.. ... Interestingly, all three pundits in the Sky studio had it a draw.
Is Terry O'connor the guy that is involved in some dubious reffing calls?
BTW, Congrats on the win :toast:
Soooo close, I had to win several k at +3000 or better odds...
At least the over Hit and thanks to Graham I was on Smith on Smith points so still a very nice evening... but man the Draw would have been "the Win"...
Cheers
LotL
Very solid call Smith backers. Congrats.
I had the fight a draw, but if I had to tip one fighter it would have to be Smith. He won the first part of the fight very clearly, then when Simpson started imposing his will, and Smith could've folded - in the 9th I think it was he was hurt and tired - he did not. The last few rounds were fought on even terms.
Smith looks like a pretty good prospect to me, and seasoned for a young guy with just 12 fights.
118-112 - there's always one... but I do think that, if there had to be winner, it was Smith.
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I had the fight a draw, but if I had to tip one fighter it would have to be Smith. He won the first part of the fight very clearly, then when Simpson started imposing his will, and Smith could've folded - in the 9th I think it was he was hurt and tired - he did not. The last few rounds were fought on even terms.
Smith looks like a pretty good prospect to me, and seasoned for a young guy with just 12 fights.
118-112 - there's always one... but I do think that, if there had to be winner, it was Smith.
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'Wrong' scoring
'Wrong' scoring
I think ineptitude, Evan. If there was anything crooked going on with Terry O'Connor's scorecards he would make them "look better" by tightening up the scoring. The wide score he gave in the Tyson Fury vs John McDermott bout and now the Smith-Simpson fight indicate honest scoring: He just saw the fights wrong, IMO.
Years ago a referee was retired by the British Boxing Board of Control, a 71-year-old referee named Ben Green, who was the sole arbiter and gave London welterweight Peter Waterman a points win over veteran Cuban Hawk Kid Gavilan. The Board simply brought in a retirement age of 65 to ease Green out quietly. (Ironically the British publication Boxing News, which was then a trade paper and is now something a little different, had Waterman winning the fight, the veteran editor Gilbert Odd believing that many of Gavilan's blows were slaps with the open glove and therefore should not have been scored.) Gavilan won a rematch on points in London two months later.
In the 1960s (this was when the referee was also the sole judge in British boxing), Wally Thom, a referee was who was a former British and European welterweight champion, gave the young Birmingham heavyweight Johnny Prescott a widely criticised decision over Brian London in a nationally televised bout. London seemed to have outclassed Prescott. The British Board asked Thom to appear before them to explain his decision. Thom subsequently handed in his licence, I believe, from memory, because the Board downgraded his licence from Star Class to a lower category.
Nowadays contentious scoring is mostly just shrugged off, worldwide, as "That's boxing", although I understand that referee and judge Ian John-Lewis was severely reprimanded by the British Board for inexplicable scoring of a contest in a recent Prizefighter tournament.
A word to the wise, Evan. Just my opinion but I think we should, perhaps, be a little bit careful in suggesting fraud and corruption in boxing matches. I am pretty sure that Joey has taken a position that British boxing is corrupt; certainly I am not noticing as many lines (if any) on the UK fights among Joey's client books. The MadJack site is read by more than one oddsmaker, that's for sure. If seasoned players keep going on about "fraud" and "corruption" in boxing judging/refereeing I think it is reasonable to assume there will at least be a possibility that wagering options on boxing will become even more limited with the books less inclined to offer odds. "Way off" scorecards are common in boxing worldwide, Evan: How many times have you seen a split decision where, say, two judges have a tight, one-or-two-point fight and the third judge has a blowout 117-111 type of score? I'm not calling anyone out here, BTW, just my opinion.
'Wrong' scoring
I think ineptitude, Evan. If there was anything crooked going on with Terry O'Connor's scorecards he would make them "look better" by tightening up the scoring. The wide score he gave in the Tyson Fury vs John McDermott bout and now the Smith-Simpson fight indicate honest scoring: He just saw the fights wrong, IMO.
Years ago a referee was retired by the British Boxing Board of Control, a 71-year-old referee named Ben Green, who was the sole arbiter and gave London welterweight Peter Waterman a points win over veteran Cuban Hawk Kid Gavilan. The Board simply brought in a retirement age of 65 to ease Green out quietly. (Ironically the British publication Boxing News, which was then a trade paper and is now something a little different, had Waterman winning the fight, the veteran editor Gilbert Odd believing that many of Gavilan's blows were slaps with the open glove and therefore should not have been scored.) Gavilan won a rematch on points in London two months later.
In the 1960s (this was when the referee was also the sole judge in British boxing), Wally Thom, a referee was who was a former British and European welterweight champion, gave the young Birmingham heavyweight Johnny Prescott a widely criticised decision over Brian London in a nationally televised bout. London seemed to have outclassed Prescott. The British Board asked Thom to appear before them to explain his decision. Thom subsequently handed in his licence, I believe, from memory, because the Board downgraded his licence from Star Class to a lower category.
Nowadays contentious scoring is mostly just shrugged off, worldwide, as "That's boxing", although I understand that referee and judge Ian John-Lewis was severely reprimanded by the British Board for inexplicable scoring of a contest in a recent Prizefighter tournament.
A word to the wise, Evan. Just my opinion but I think we should, perhaps, be a little bit careful in suggesting fraud and corruption in boxing matches. I am pretty sure that Joey has taken a position that British boxing is corrupt; certainly I am not noticing as many lines (if any) on the UK fights among Joey's client books. The MadJack site is read by more than one oddsmaker, that's for sure. If seasoned players keep going on about "fraud" and "corruption" in boxing judging/refereeing I think it is reasonable to assume there will at least be a possibility that wagering options on boxing will become even more limited with the books less inclined to offer odds. "Way off" scorecards are common in boxing worldwide, Evan: How many times have you seen a split decision where, say, two judges have a tight, one-or-two-point fight and the third judge has a blowout 117-111 type of score? I'm not calling anyone out here, BTW, just my opinion.
Yeah, you're right. There really is no benefit to speak about that. I wasn't personally affected by that score it's just that this guy, time after time...uh oh, here I go again.
Graham, if you follow suit above, it will be like, almost, that it was never said.
Graham, if you follow suit above, it will be like, almost, that it was never said.
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Prizefighter
Prizefighter
I RARELY look forward to these tournaments and have only wagered a few fights in the past but next weeks card, I must say, has a little bit of intrigue. No fight selections until odds come out but I'm actually looking forward to this one. Decent mix of fighters for one of these cards. Not a bad warmup to the Pac/Mose fight night :0074
Mike Perez vs Fres Oquendo
Kevin ?Kingpin? Johnson vs Gregory Tony
Michael Sprott vs Tye Fields
Juan Carlos Gomez vs Konstantin Airich
Prizefighter
I RARELY look forward to these tournaments and have only wagered a few fights in the past but next weeks card, I must say, has a little bit of intrigue. No fight selections until odds come out but I'm actually looking forward to this one. Decent mix of fighters for one of these cards. Not a bad warmup to the Pac/Mose fight night :0074
Mike Perez vs Fres Oquendo
Kevin ?Kingpin? Johnson vs Gregory Tony
Michael Sprott vs Tye Fields
Juan Carlos Gomez vs Konstantin Airich
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Nicaragua Card Moved
Nicaragua Card Moved
According to boxrec, the Nicaragua card for Friday has been moved:
At Casino Pharaohs, Managua, Nicaragua
Everth Briceno (32-6-1) vs. Darwin Zamora (18-4-1)
Rene Alvarado (13-0) vs. Eliecer Lanzas (9-0)
The card will now take place on May the 6th.
Nicaragua Card Moved
According to boxrec, the Nicaragua card for Friday has been moved:
At Casino Pharaohs, Managua, Nicaragua
Everth Briceno (32-6-1) vs. Darwin Zamora (18-4-1)
Rene Alvarado (13-0) vs. Eliecer Lanzas (9-0)
The card will now take place on May the 6th.
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For People Wondering about Brinkley-Quillin Weigh-In Photos...
For People Wondering about Brinkley-Quillin Weigh-In Photos...
They don't exist:
"Due to a communication error perhaps, Brinkley?s contract stated 165-pounds, while Quillin?s stated 165-pound max. Brinkley came in at 166.6-pounds. Quillin?s camp vehemently declared that Brinkley needed to come in at 165-pounds even. A deal which included a pay increase for Quillin salvaged the fight.
Brinkley, bitter over the weight discrepancy, refused to pose for any pictures and made his presence at the weigh-in very brief."
For People Wondering about Brinkley-Quillin Weigh-In Photos...
They don't exist:
"Due to a communication error perhaps, Brinkley?s contract stated 165-pounds, while Quillin?s stated 165-pound max. Brinkley came in at 166.6-pounds. Quillin?s camp vehemently declared that Brinkley needed to come in at 165-pounds even. A deal which included a pay increase for Quillin salvaged the fight.
Brinkley, bitter over the weight discrepancy, refused to pose for any pictures and made his presence at the weigh-in very brief."
Spoke too soon. Frez out due to a close friend passing. Poor guy can never catch a break. Can't think of a more hard luck fighter than him.
On the undercard of this is Perez-Reyes. If anyone sees a number, jump on Perez. I surely will.
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Result from France
Result from France
For the belt vacant WBO Light Welterweight-Europe, Anne-Sophie "Anne-So" Mathis won by referee stoppage in the third round of the Serbo-Brazilian Duda Yankovich, Friday evening Pontault-Combault.
No result yet for the heavyweights.
Result from France
For the belt vacant WBO Light Welterweight-Europe, Anne-Sophie "Anne-So" Mathis won by referee stoppage in the third round of the Serbo-Brazilian Duda Yankovich, Friday evening Pontault-Combault.
No result yet for the heavyweights.
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Result from France
Result from France
Carlos Takam (23-1, 19 KOs) stopped Gbenga Oloukun (19-7, 12 KOs) to win the vacant WBO Africa heavyweight title. Takam dropped Oloukun 3 times in round 6 and Oloukun didnt answer the bell for round 7.
Result from France
Carlos Takam (23-1, 19 KOs) stopped Gbenga Oloukun (19-7, 12 KOs) to win the vacant WBO Africa heavyweight title. Takam dropped Oloukun 3 times in round 6 and Oloukun didnt answer the bell for round 7.
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