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U.S. presidential election in California, 2016 [3]

Party

Candidate

Votes

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Democratic Hillary Clinton 8,753,788 61.73%
Republican Donald Trump 4,483,810 31.62%
Libertarian Gary Johnson 478,500 3.37%
Green Jill Stein 278,657 1.96%
Independent Bernie Sanders (write-in) 79,341 0.56%
Peace and Freedom Gloria La Riva 66,101 0.47%
Independent Evan McMullin (write-in) 39,596 0.28%
Independent Mike Maturen (write-in) 1,316 0.01%
Independent Laurence Kotlikoff (write-in) 402 0.00%
Independent Jerry White (write-in) 84 0.00%
Total votes 14,181,595 100.00%


popular vote total:
Trump: 62,958,211
Clinton: 65,818,318
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Clinton: + 2.8 million

Popular vote total outside California:
Trump: 58,474,401
Clinton: 57,064,530
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Trump: + 1.4 million

If it makes you feel better, throw out New York and Illinois too. Then, throw out every other state she won. Bottom line, Trump lost the popular vote by nearly 3 million. More than any other president-elect in history. Facts suck, but you can still play these hypothetical games to justify whatever it is you are trying to justify.:mj07:
 

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If it makes you feel better, throw out New York and Illinois too. Then, throw out every other state she won. Bottom line, Trump lost the popular vote by nearly 3 million. More than any other president-elect in history. Facts suck, but you can still play these hypothetical games to justify whatever it is you are trying to justify.:mj07:

The Trump win was not hypothetical.

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Not worried, just showing where that 3 million popular vote lead comes from, the one the Democrats cry about.

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Don't you think it's ignorant to take away the state with the most people in it? California has twice as many people as every other state except New York, Texas, and Florida. Trump won the election, what are you trying to make up for? He lost the popular vote by more than anyone else but he still gets to be President.
 

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Don't you think it's ignorant to take away the state with the most people in it? California has twice as many people as every other state except New York, Texas, and Florida. Trump won the election, what are you trying to make up for? He lost the popular vote by more than anyone else but he still gets to be President.

By Karen Ridder | Monday, 14 Sep 2015 01:04 PM.
California has the largest number of illegal immigrants in the United States, with an estimated 2.4 million unauthorized immigrants making up about 6.3 percent of the state's total population, according to the Pew Research Center.
 

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History of electoral college

History of electoral college

Blame, or thank our founding fathers.....:0008

Looking at the voting, Clinton got 80 of her 202 electoral votes (40.5%) from the largely populated west coast area (4 states).


Today, 538 electors from the 50 states and the District of Columbia will convene across the country to cast the votes that decide who will become president in January.

Trump is expected to win when the electors vote, even though more Americans cast ballots for Hillary Clinton. Trump was more popular in states that control more electoral votes. That?s the system. Regular Americans don?t get a direct say in who becomes president, and not all Americans? votes are equal.

That?s the very intent of the Electoral College, albeit a design forged from an 18th century political struggle over how to balance freedom and slavery, elitism and populism, independence and accountability.

Let?s look back to 1787. The United States of America consists of 13 newly independent states that are bound together by the troubled Articles of Confederation. There are big states like Virginia and small states like Delaware. Some of them have slavery; some don?t.

At that summer?s constitutional convention, white men from those 13 states fussed over how to make a new federal government where everybody (everybody like them, anyway) got an equal slice of the pie.

The debate over how to pick the president actually started with how to create Congress. The congressional puzzle was this: If each state got an equal number of lawmakers in Congress, the small states would wield disproportionate power over the big states. But if states were given seats in Congress according to population alone, the big states? huge delegations could just ignore the smaller states.

The founders split the difference by splitting Congress. The big states got more power in the population-based House of Representatives, and the small states got more power in the Senate, where each state got two votes. (The Southern slave states struck their own deal with the notorious Three-Fifths Compromise: Slaves would count as three-fifths of a person for the sake of political representation.)

Then it was time to create the presidency. Some delegates initially proposed that Congress pick the president, but others suggested a direct national popular vote.

?If the people should elect, they will never fail to prefer some man of distinguished character, or services,? said Pennsylvania delegate Gouverneur Morris, proposing a popular-vote system, according to notes kept of the debates. ?If the Legislature elect, it will be the work of intrigue, of cabal, and of faction.? Another problem was that if Congress controlled who became president, the president could easily become Congress? puppet.

But other delegates objected: Small states? wishes could be ignored in a popular vote. It was the Congress problem all over again. ?The most populous States by combining in favor of the same individual will be able to carry their points,? said Charles Pinckney of South Carolina.

Some of the delegates also thought regular people couldn?t keep track of everything going on and everybody running for office. ?The extent of the Country renders it impossible that the people can have the requisite capacity to judge of the respective pretensions of the Candidates,? said George Mason of Virginia. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts said a popular vote was the ?worst? option, as ?the people are uninformed, and would be misled by a few designing men.?

Voter ignorance was also a form of bias that favored the big states, others argued: Confused voters would just pick ?some man in their own State,? said Roger Sherman of Connecticut.

Then there was slavery, the stain that hung over everything. Although the Three-Fifths Compromise had given the slave states strengthened representation in the House of Representatives, slaves couldn?t vote ? meaning that in a national popular election, Northern states would have more voting power than Southern states. ?The latter could have no influence in the election on the score of the Negroes,? said James Madison of Virginia, a slave state.

But Madison still opposed Congress? picking the president because it would break the separation of powers that allowed for checks and balances. Congress could then pass, as well as execute, ?tyrannical laws? in ?a tyrannical manner.?

The delegates toiled over a compromise. Initially, they also couldn?t agree on what a presidency would actually look like. Some suggested the president serve a single seven-year term, but others thought allowing re-election with shorter terms would encourage ?good behavior? by the president.

One delegate suggested that voters be given three votes in a national popular vote so they could get around the problem of just picking someone from their own state. Another suggested giving each state a single vote in a joint session of Congress. It didn?t go anywhere.

Finally, inspiration: The Founders decided a special body of legislators would be formed each election for the sole purpose of casting votes for president, and each state would get members equal to the number of its representatives and senators in Congress.

Thus the Electoral College was born, an invention designed to shield the job of the president from the ignorance of the people and the manipulation of elites in Congress.

The system later would be revealed to be not so good at selecting vice presidents, leading to the creation of the 12th Amendment to refine the process after a deadlocked election in 1800. And today, the Electoral College is largely a rubber stamp to reflect the popular vote at the state level, sometimes to the frustration of Democrats in larger states whose votes are diluted (not to mention future candidates who would win the nationwide popular vote but lose the election, as happened with the election of George W. Bush, and now Trump.)

But at the time, Alexander Hamilton, of New York, hailed the Electoral College as almost the only part of the new U.S. Constitution that escaped ?severe criticism.? In 1788, Hamilton wrote, ?I venture somewhat further, and hesitate not to affirm, that if the manner of it be not perfect, it is at least excellent.?

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By Karen Ridder | Monday, 14 Sep 2015 01:04 PM.
California has the largest number of illegal immigrants in the United States, with an estimated 2.4 million unauthorized immigrants making up about 6.3 percent of the state's total population, according to the Pew Research Center.

And the people in the state dealing with the most illegal immigrants STILL didn't vote for the anti-illegal immigration candidate. Wonder what that means.

And if you take Texas/Louisiana/Mississippi/Alabama results out, Clinton goes up by 4million+ votes.
You can slice and dice the election in a million ways, but the one way you probably should avoid is via the popular vote. It's the area Trump was weakest.
 

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And the people in the state dealing with the most illegal immigrants STILL didn't vote for the anti-illegal immigration candidate. Wonder what that means.

And if you take Texas/Louisiana/Mississippi/Alabama results out, Clinton goes up by 4million+ votes.
You can slice and dice the election in a million ways, but the one way you probably should avoid is via the popular vote. It's the area Trump was weakest.

Has an ILLEGAL ALIEN ever voted in an election in California?
 

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Screw these states that encourage illegal voting, become your own country if you want.

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Jerry Brown Signs Bill That Could Let Illegal Aliens Vote


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by William Bigelow12 Oct 20152,351



On Saturday, California Governor Jerry Brown signed Assembly Bill 1461, the New Motor Voter Act, which will automatically register people to vote through the DMV, and could result in illegal aliens voting.
Any person who renewed or secured a driver?s license through the DMV may now register to vote, or choose to opt out of doing so. Because illegal immigrants are now eligible for obtaining driver?s licenses, they could be allowed to vote in elections if the Secretary of State?s office fails to verify their eligibility properly.










Brown and the California Democratic party know exactly what they are doing; as a Public Policy Institute survey showed, among unregistered adults, 49% lean toward the Democratic Party and 22% toward the Republican Party. Any bill permitting illegal immigrants to vote would cement the Democratic Party?s hold on California.

True the Vote founder Catherine Engelbrecht stated, ?This bill is terrible. It makes an already bad situation much, much worse,? adding that California?s registration databases ?lack the necessary safeguards to keep noncitizens off the voter rolls.?



Election Integrity Project of California President Linda Paine echoed that AB 1461 ?will effectively change the form of governance in California from a Republic whose elected officials are determined by United States citizens and will guarantee that noncitizens will participate in all California elections going forward.? The Election Integrity Project of California had joined True the Vote to demand that brown veto the bill, calling it a path to ??state sanctioned? voter fraud.?

Although noncitizens? driver?s licenses in California feature the phrases ?Federal Limits Apply? and ?not valid for official federal purposes,? True the Vote spokesman Logan Churchwell pointed out that state officials ?specifically chose not to make noncitizen license holders searchable in their DMV database.?

California Secretary of State Alex Padilla countered that the increase in voters will benefit the state, arguing, ?The New Motor Voter Act will make our democracy stronger by removing a key barrier to voting for millions of California citizens. Citizens should not be required to opt in to their fundamental right to vote. We do not have to opt in to other rights, such as free speech or due process.?



California follows Oregon, where Democratic Gov. Kate Brown signed a bill in March allowing the automatic registration of all eligible Oregonians to vote when they obtain or renew a driver?s license or state identification card.

But Stephen Frank of California Political Review bluntly asserted that the bill will reduce voter turnout because voters will sniff fraud in the polls: ?AB 1461 assures corruption of our elections?our elections will look like those of Mexico and other corrupt nations?and honest people will stop voting since illegal aliens will out vote them.?
 

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By Karen Ridder | Monday, 14 Sep 2015 01:04 PM.
California has the largest number of illegal immigrants in the United States, with an estimated 2.4 million unauthorized immigrants making up about 6.3 percent of the state's total population, according to the Pew Research Center.

#1 on every illegal immigrant's to do list is to risk deportation by illegally voting in the presidential elections. :mj07:So dumb.
 

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What is the Minute and Second I should go to in order to hear Obama encourage illegal immigrants to vote. I'm the dumbass for watching it because I know you only post bullshit, but shame on me. I thought I might actually hear Obama telling them to vote. Instead, I hear a Faux News personality take Obama's statement of "you don't have to be a citizen to contribute to this country" and turn it into "he's telling illegals to vote". People like you eat this shit up and now we get the king of bullshit in 31 days.
 

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What is the Minute and Second I should go to in order to hear Obama encourage illegal immigrants to vote. I'm the dumbass for watching it because I know you only post bullshit, but shame on me. I thought I might actually hear Obama telling them to vote. Instead, I hear a Faux News personality take Obama's statement of "you don't have to be a citizen to contribute to this country" and turn it into "he's telling illegals to vote". People like you eat this shit up and now we get the king of bullshit in 31 days.

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Skulnik: Have you found the part in the video yet where Obama told illegals to vote? I just can't seem to find it. I did find two guys trying to convince the gullible that he did say it, but that's just not the same.

Post another pic without an answer if you're embarrassed. :0074
 

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Skulnik: Have you found the part in the video yet where Obama told illegals to vote? I just can't seem to find it. I did find two guys trying to convince the gullible that he did say it, but that's just not the same.

Post another pic without an answer if you're embarrassed. :0074


You are in DENIAL, he said it.

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