President Shithole

[WhatsHisNuts]

I'll say it again, and likely have to say it 100 more times, I'm not happy with Trump, but you gave us no reasonable alternative in the election and now you want to hold the country hostage. I'm in awe you can support that.

This is such bizarre logic to me. What would a HRC presidency look like compared to this mess? You say there was no other option, but clearly there was a candidate with years of political experience including 8 years in the WH and a spouse that had a successful presidency of his own.

 

[Penguinfan]

What would a HRC presidency look like compared to this mess?

To us folks on the right side of things it would have meant the end of all traditional values whatsoever. Now, I understand what you are thinking, fuck traditional values we need to move forward.

That's fair, but why don't those of us who hold those values matter? There was enough of us to get to the pole and make sure HRC didn't get there. I didn't vote for Trump, I voted against Hillary. Had Biden run I would have voted for him (I understand it was his personal issues that kept him from running but you get my point).

Just because liberal/progressive is the law of the land these days doesn't mean there aren't those of us who hold to traditional values. You want to say politics is about compromise, what compromise would there have been from an HRC White House?

Also, your "compromise" isn't really fair. It's like the Republicans asking for $1 and the Dems asking for $1000 and you feeling $500 is a compromise. Immigrant status has nothing to do with funding the gov't, yet the Dems and the Dems alone are holding the country hostage over the issue. Compromise?

 

[shawn555]

Sure I do, but I also realize only 5 democrats voted to pass the bill. You really want to blame this outcome of the vote on the Republican holdouts? Seriously?

No i blame Trump for not being able to deliver his party or to even attempt to reach across the aisle to get something done.

Every president has had to compromise to get things done, if Trump refuses to budge and continues his lies this is what is going to happen.

Neither party should be proud of themselves, but the republicans have control they are the ones who are the most responsible and it starts at the top.

 

[Penguinfan]

No i blame Trump for not being able to deliver his party or to even attempt to reach across the aisle to get something done.

Speaking specifically about the gov't shutdown, what do you want him to reach across the aisle with? You want him to give in on his signature issue just to get a BUDGET passed?

Again, I don't think asking for a kill shot is "compromise", especially when it's in everyone's best interest to keep the gov't running.

I think Trump has done a mostly miserable job of governing the country, but I'm on the Republican side on this one, you can't give in on major issues to pass what should be a simple budget. A compromise typically involves things of like value, you really can't think these are similar in value, do you?

 

[Jabberwocky]

I am always happy to take another look from a different perspective. Don?t have anything to add at the moment other than it?s refreshing to see some actual discussion from the right. Happy to see you here penguin. There was once a different level of discourse.

 

[Penguinfan]

I am always happy to take another look from a different perspective. Don?t have anything to add at the moment other than it?s refreshing to see some actual discussion from the right. Happy to see you here penguin. There was once a different level of discourse.

Thank you. I really should stick to the advice Charlie Brown gave us so many years ago......"Never discuss religion, politics or the Great Pumpkin".

Often times, Charlie Brown was right and pretty smart for an eight year old.

 

[Jaxx]

This is such bizarre logic to me. What would a HRC presidency look like compared to this mess? You say there was no other option, but clearly there was a candidate with years of political experience including 8 years in the WH and a spouse that had a successful presidency of his own.

A candidate with years of corruption and selling out America.

No thank you

:mj07:

 

[shawn555]

Speaking specifically about the gov't shutdown, what do you want him to reach across the aisle with? You want him to give in on his signature issue just to get a BUDGET passed?

Again, I don't think asking for a kill shot is "compromise", especially when it's in everyone's best interest to keep the gov't running.

I think Trump has done a mostly miserable job of governing the country, but I'm on the Republican side on this one, you can't give in on major issues to pass what should be a simple budget. A compromise typically involves things of like value, you really can't think these are similar in value, do you?

I would like him to keep his word once. It seems like he says he will make a deal then flip flops right after.

How do you expect anything to get done if you do not try and reach across the aisle, every president was eventually able to figure that out, but I hold out no hope that Trump will.

The dems suck bc Schumer was willing to help fund that stupid wall that Mexico was supposed to pay for but Trump flipped on that deal as well.

I recognize both parties are pointless and without term limits nothing will change.

I will also parrot what jabber said I have enjoyed this discussion, its nice to not have chain letters and memes as answers to questions.

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

You don't address the point which is that it's the Republicans who are the welfare states. The poor, uneducated who live off of the government. You know, the forgotten man. The ones with tiki torches who won't be replaced. You just make stupid inane libtard comments.

You do this because you're morons who are too stupid to figure out when you've been had. Your idiocy would be the death of democracy if we were all as inept as reflog and hedge and skul and Ray. Thankfully, we aren't. Peace.

Trump supporters sign their checks on the front, and the Obama supporters sign their checks on the back.

This is your response to his comment? You are dumber than fucking shit. Which has been proven day after day on here. :facepalm:

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

Yet you support a group of people who will hold the country hostage to get their own way? Shut down the gov't, derpive working people of paychecks and put our military in harm's way (for no paycheck) is all good by you if it means you can further your agenda. An agenda that doesn't have a time limit attached to it when people's livelihoods do.

I know, I know, your battle cry is "by any means necessary", right?

Idiots abound on both sides, trying to figure how which side has more/worse is like trying to figure out if you want the electric chair or the firing squad for a crime you didn't commit.

Bullshit. The GOP has been the party that has strong armed everyone for years. I get so pissed because the Dems are a bunch of pussies and always give in. They have leverage now. They should use it. Fuck the GOP and fuck their supporters. Every fucking one of them.

 

[Penguinfan]

I will also parrot what jabber said I have enjoyed this discussion, its nice to not have chain letters and memes as answers to questions.

Same to you guys.

Bullshit. The GOP has been the party that has strong armed everyone for years. I get so pissed because the Dems are a bunch of pussies and always give in. They have leverage now. They should use it. Fuck the GOP and fuck their supporters. Every fucking one of them.

So basically you don't care what is right or what's best for the country, you just want to win no matter the cost?

How is that approach any better than what Trump is doing?

 

[Skulnik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Take it to the bank, the FBI/FISA docs are devastating for the Dems. The whole image of a benevolent Barack Obama they?ve disingenuously tried to portray is about to be destroyed. The real Obama, the vengeful narcissist, is going to be exposed for all to see.</p>— Dan Bongino (@dbongino) <a href="https://twitter.com/dbongino/status/954132385582510080?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 18, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

So basically you don't care what is right or what's best for the country, you just want to win no matter the cost?

How is that approach any better than what Trump is doing?

Do you live in Fantasy Land? Get fucking real. What do you think the GOP has been doing for years? What is best for the country? I love it when the Dems hold the card you come back with some shit like "just do what is best for the country." Grow the fuck up.

 

[Skulnik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">When I saw Senator Tom Cotton retweet this I knew I had to get a screenshot of both because I couldn't believe the Democrats were that stupid they would tell NBC news they had a plan to shut the government down two days ago. <a href="https://t.co/8C9tma8oBN">pic.twitter.com/8C9tma8oBN</a></p>— General Deplorable (@HouseCracka) <a href="https://twitter.com/HouseCracka/status/954763027320131586?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 20, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">When I saw Senator Tom Cotton retweet this I knew I had to get a screenshot of both because I couldn't believe the Democrats were that stupid they would tell NBC news they had a plan to shut the government down two days ago. <a href="https://t.co/8C9tma8oBN">pic.twitter.com/8C9tma8oBN</a></p>— General Deplorable (@HouseCracka) <a href="https://twitter.com/HouseCracka/status/954763027320131586?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 20, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I guess you'll have to figure out what to do without an unemployment check this week.

:mj07:

 

[Penguinfan]

Do you live in Fantasy Land? Get fucking real. What do you think the GOP has been doing for years? What is best for the country? I love it when the Dems hold the card you come back with some shit like "just do what is best for the country." Grow the fuck up.

Doing what's best for the country is what we pay them for, no? Certainly I understand they have agendas that get pushed during negotiations like this but you don't think this one is taking things too far? People's livelihoods, children's health care, etc... in exchange for immigrant reform that doesn't need solved today.

One side is not exactly negotiating in good faith here by holding millions hostage to further their pet cause. A cause that they mostly care very little about except that it's Trump's signature issue so NOW it has to be a thing that holds up the budget.

People like you who just want a win so the other side loses are the problem with this country.

I guess you'll have to figure out what to do without an unemployment check this week.

:mj07:

The shutdown doesn't affect unemployment, FYI.

 

[WhatsHisNuts]

Doing what's best for the country is what we pay them for, no? Certainly I understand they have agendas that get pushed during negotiations like this but you don't think this one is taking things too far? People's livelihoods, children's health care, etc... in exchange for immigrant reform that doesn't need solved today.

One side is not exactly negotiating in good faith here by holding millions hostage to further their pet cause. A cause that they mostly care very little about except that it's Trump's signature issue so NOW it has to be a thing that holds up the budget.

People like you who just want a win so the other side loses are the problem with this country.



The shutdown doesn't affect unemployment, FYI.

Dick Durbin and Leslie Graham had a bi-partisan deal that Trump initially agreed to. DACA would be reformed to make it more palatable to Republicans and Trump would get his stupid wall. Trump changed his mind after talking with his crackerjack advisers.....but it's the Dems fault.

 

[Penguinfan]

Dick Durbin and Leslie Graham had a bi-partisan deal that Trump initially agreed to. DACA would be reformed to make it more palatable to Republicans and Trump would get his stupid wall. Trump changed his mind after talking with his crackerjack advisers.....but it's the Dems fault.

It's the Dems fault that DACA has to be part of a budget deal. Why can't they be two separate issues?

Now, I honestly see the Dems point on not making it two separate issues because they can't trust Trump to negotiate DACA after a budget is passed. I get it. What I don't get is that the Dems think this is a good trade for anyone.

If immigration wasn't Trump's signature issue they wouldn't be holding the country hostage over it. Unfortunately the Dems in office think a good bit like TU does, they just want a win regardless of the cost AND it isn't even the win they want so much, it's the loss for Trump they are after.

Even all that I kinda get, but the budget isn't the time and place when people's livelihoods are on the line.

 

[WhatsHisNuts]

To us folks on the right side of things it would have meant the end of all traditional values whatsoever. Now, I understand what you are thinking, fuck traditional values we need to move forward.

That's fair, but why don't those of us who hold those values matter? There was enough of us to get to the pole and make sure HRC didn't get there. I didn't vote for Trump, I voted against Hillary. Had Biden run I would have voted for him (I understand it was his personal issues that kept him from running but you get my point).

Just because liberal/progressive is the law of the land these days doesn't mean there aren't those of us who hold to traditional values. You want to say politics is about compromise, what compromise would there have been from an HRC White House?

Also, your "compromise" isn't really fair. It's like the Republicans asking for $1 and the Dems asking for $1000 and you feeling $500 is a compromise. Immigrant status has nothing to do with funding the gov't, yet the Dems and the Dems alone are holding the country hostage over the issue. Compromise?

Not trying to be a dick here, but do you think Trump has lived up to your values? Do you think he was better or worse than what you thought you'd get with HRC. When you listen to him talk about women, immigrants, and other countries, is it in line with your values? Is his cheating on his wife in line with your values? Banging porn stars and paying them hush money? His Locker Room Talk? His failure to denounce neo-Nazi hate groups?

 

[Penguinfan]

Not trying to be a dick here, but do you think Trump has lived up to your values? Do you think he was better or worse than what you thought you'd get with HRC. When you listen to him talk about women, immigrants, and other countries, is it in line with your values? Is his cheating on his wife in line with your values? Banging porn stars and paying them hush money? His Locker Room Talk? His failure to denounce neo-Nazi hate groups?

The easy answer, and in line with what I have said all along, is no, Trump's actions do not line up with the values I hold to.

I think the results he's getting are slightly better than what Hillary would have gotten by now but I don't know that nor do I have any way to prove it. I do think we got tax cuts we would not have gotten with HRC and just as much as his stupid wall is an issue for him, taking away what is left of traditional values would have been Hillary's agenda. We would be fighting the same fight only over different issues.

Would you feel the same if Hillary were in office and the GOP was holding up the budget over the border wall?


Let me ask you this question, you bring up things like Trump's infidelity, his locker room talk, buying off porn stars, etc... as things that should disturb me about him, but it would appear you are OK with Hillary stealing, her lack of concern over national security, Benghazi and, not to mention, her husband cheating on her while in the very office we are discussing.

Why are all the shortcomings of Bill and Hillary ok, but Trump's worthy of execution?