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DACA should have been done a long fucking time ago. Get it done and the rest of this shit will be done in no time.
I have no idea about unemployment. I just recall last time everyone posting about unemployment checks. I guess skul will be okay. I would hate for his Internet to get shut down and then be unable to keep us updated on factual events around the world.
What are the traditional values that you think HRC was focused on dismantling?
If HRC was in office and holding the government hostage, I'd be pissed, but I'd be more pissed if she was holding the government hostage because she was unwilling to negotiate.
RE: it would appear you are OK with Hillary stealing, her lack of concern over national security, Benghazi and, not to mention, her husband cheating on her while in the very office we are discussing.
What stealing? Wouldn't she have been convicted or at least indicted by now? Kenneth Starr spent the Bill Clinton presidency trying to take them down and ended up with squat.
What is her lack of concern over national security? The private servers? I definitely think it was a mistake in judgement but not a huge concern. I think a bigger mistake is revealing classified info to Russians in the Oval Office (Trump did this) and picking a fight with North Korea, but that's just my opinion.
Benghazi: It was a fuck up, no doubt. They happen. It sucks.
Bill Clinton cheating on her. Here's the thing, I'm not the one pointing to "traditional values". I would trust Bill to run the country but not to drive my wife to the airport. And that's where I lose my mind with you "values" guys. You keep pointing to the importance of them but when we point out the lack of values exhibited by your candidate, shoulders just get shrugged. What do you think of the traditional family values where couples stay together through thick and thin, because the one that you think has no traditional values lives it while the other has been divorced twice?
And that's the problem. It's a legal form of blackmail. I'm not naive enough to think this doesn't happen, but in this case one side is playing with people's livelihood while the other just wants to pass something as basic as the budget.
Not even close to a level playing field. DACA has time to be dealt with, Monday morning working people start missing paychecks. Also, I hold that DACA is only important to the Dems because immigration is on Trump's big list.
So, in this case we have one side asking for a kill shot while one side just wants the basic foundation of the country to keep churning along AND that kill shot isn't even all that important to those asking for it, they just want to post an L for the opposition.
Very petty IMO and hurting a lot of people along the way. In all honesty, when did DACA become such a personal issue for you (or any Dem) that you would fuck the country over it? I'm guessing right about the time it became a bargaining chip and not a moment before.
Why would the dems trust anything that Trump says?
They have no reason to believe he will keep his word.
Trump ended DACA in September, but the dems are supposed to trust that it will get done before the deadline?
Trust is a two way street and Trump has nothing but lie since day one.
You have just as much evidence (if not more) that Hillary was guilty of those things than Trump is of revealing secrets to the Russians. I can ask you the exact same question, if it could be proven he did give them info then why hasn't he been arrested, impeached, indicted?
You are willing to assume facts not in evidence when it comes to Trump, but not Hillary. Why?
I don't think Benghazi can be written off as a "fuck up" and shrugged off as "it happens". It was avoidable and decisions were made that cost people lives. Again, had that been Trump you would want him hung, but Hillary does it and "it happens"?
We could not disagree more.
You misunderstand my stance. You brought up Trump's cheating like it was a big deal yet shrug off Bill's. The playing field should at least be level and it certainly isn't. Dems are shouting LOOK TRUMP PAID OFF A PORN STAR!!!!!! but ignore what Bill did.
At the end of the day I would trust Bill Clinton to run the country as well, I thought he did among the very best jobs as President we could ask for under some difficult circumstances. I genuinely don't care if he got a blowjob in the Oval Office or not much like it shouldn't matter to you what Trump did in the past. What should matter is how they run the country. I fully and readily admit Trump's done a horrible job, but that doesn't give license to his opposition to hold the country hostage over DACA, which is exactly what they are doing.
In response to your question around what traditional values I believe Hillary would target, I don't think she would "target" any, but I think they slowly get eroded away under her watch. Look, I don't want to argue over what I think is right compared to what you think is right, but you have to admit that the country has moved so far left in the last 8 years that we accept things today that would be unthinkable 12 years ago, especially to those of us on the right.
I'll offer an example that I really don't want to get into a debate about, but just so you know where I'm coming from, it is unimaginable to me my daughter has to share a public bathroom with a crossdresser just to appease the incredible minority of transgenders out there who didn't need to make a big deal out of where they took a shit, but they did, and got their way. I'm still in awe over that one and don't believe we got to that point.
Hillary's supporters were all about pushing boundaries, most of them wanted to elect her just because she is a woman, not because she was the most qualified Democrat (she certainly wasn't). I have no idea how far they would test those boundaries, and didn't want to see for myself.
Again, I think you are missing my point. I wouldn't expect anyone on either side of the aisle to trust Trump to pick up the check for lunch let alone something as important to you as DACA (again, when did it become important to you?).
I never said Trump should be trusted, but holding the budget hostage (and the people who depend on it) vs DACA just isn't a level playing field.
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Bullshit. The GOP does it all the fucking time and then when the Dems try to do it you have a problem. Grow up.
As for DACA it is important. These people have their lives hanging in the balance and you want them to wait until the last second when your douchebag of a president will probably deport them anyway. No. This gets solved now. These people were brave enough to come forward. Time to get it done.
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Another point to be made that you will ignore if it happens. If DACA isn't done now, the GOP will try to get more concessions when they do DACA later. So at this point you don't want the Dems playing games? Well if they don't they will have to give up more later. I am shocked how fucking naive you are with this.
What is naive is to think you are fooling anyone into thinking you gave a shit about DACA before it became a bargaining chip for your side.
Face it, you just want an "L" for Trump and hope your side gets it at any cost. Congrats, you are well on the path.
Again I ask, if the situation was reversed and Hillary couldn't get a budget passed because the GOP demanded funding for the border wall be included, would you feel the same?
You don't have to answer, we all know.
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Ummm it happens every fucking time with the GOP. They don't give in at all. Now you are being asked to actually give something to get something and your panties are in a wad.
How I care is irrelevant. But yes, I do give a shit about DACA. Trump has had nothing but losses so I don't get where you are coming from with that comment. His presidency has been a fucking mess.
For almost anyone in government, discussing such matters with an adversary would be illegal. As president, Trump has broad authority to declassify government secrets, making it unlikely that his disclosures broke the law.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...4f199710b69_story.html?utm_term=.74ad1a2e9f1a
There is evidence he did this, but I guess it doesn't matter because he's a Republican. Where's the evidence on HRC? Where is it? This is our issue.
Why wasn't he impeached, because he has the Senate and House in his corner.
BENGHAZI: I can say "it happens" because after YEARS of investigations, there was nothing she could get nailed for....and the Republicans tried like hell to get her and Obama on it. It was a terrorist attack. Americans weren't satisfactorily protected. It sucks they didn't understand what happened right away and that they had bad intel. End of story.
VALUES: I bring up Trump's cheating as a big deal because you keep telling me your choice was about values. When I point out the guy is morally bankrupt, you dismiss it. So, I'm confused. If you chose him because values are important, why do you keep supporting this guy? I shrug off Bill's cheating because I don't give a shit about extramarital affairs. It's not important to me until someone else says it is very important and then doesn't actually care when confronted with it.
The country will continue to evolve and progress. You can keep taking this values stance until the end of time, but society will progress. It always does. Always. Traditional values used to include the right to own slaves, to women shouldn't vote. Do I think we need 51 gender classifications? Fuck no. Do I think we need to take everyone's feelings and personal truths into account? Fuck no. Just because there are nuts on the far left doesn't mean the Democratic candidate will pander to them. Free speech doesn't mean someone agrees with what they spew. You guys get your panties in a bunch over nothing.
BATHROOM ISSUE: I'm with you on this one. I think it is really simple. If you have a dick you use one bathroom and, if not, you use the other. I suppose if you are a hermaphrodite, the bathroom world is your oyster. Either way, I don't see it as a real big deal. If you are a fucking creep, you're going to do what you do. The sign on the door isn't going to stop you.
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That son of a bitch Santorium just said what wrote earlier. "The GOP is right in that they should ask something to push DACA through."
So if the Dems give in they will not get DACA for nothing. Exactly.
So if the Dems give in they will not get DACA for nothing. Exactly.
Completely inaccurate. I've never labeled Trump as the poster child for all things good and holy. I said Hillary would be the death of traditional values, that shouldn't be interpreted as Trump being the champion of them. I think Trump largely ignores those issues, which is the best I could hope for given the choices.
I'm not sure, given all that you have posted in this forum not just this thread) how you the GOP not giving in on negotiating DACA to pass a completely unrelated budget makes this their fault?
Basically what I see you saying is "if the don't give in then it's their fault". I guess that one very one-sided way of looking at it.
Four soldiers died in Niger, under very questionable conditions, and not much about it.
Well there was Trump shitting another on another gold star family member.
Side A has all the power and really wants to kill a program championed by Side B. They also really want to purchase something Side B is completely against, but need Side B support to do so. Why won't Side B just give in to Side A?
Politics is about negotiation and compromise. This is how it works. Doesn't matter if it is two totally unrelated issues or two directly tied together. If your vote matters, you will try to leverage it to get what you want. There was already a bi-partisan plan that would have kept the government up and running, but somebody decided to reject it at the last minute. He now owns the shutdown, like it or not.
Clearly you are correct. Maybe I've just got too many friends that will be affected by this. They've been told to report to work on Monday and Tuesday to facilitate an orderly shutdown and then they will be without a paycheck. I have a friend whose business sells a good bit of its product to the military and he's been asked to cancel any incoming orders he can. His business will survive but he will be laying people off.
None of those people can really afford to be without a paycheck and that is what sucks. The hidden vig of your "win at all costs" mentality is that real people will suffer because of it (though not the politicians, they still get paid).
That is what frustrates me here. DACA can be handled after the fact, but the dems have a chip in the game and feel they must use it, no matter the cost. That just won't ever make sense to me, but I concede, you are right.
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It can. I didn't say it would be, but it could be. People WILL be missing paychecks Wednesday.
