How much pot would it take, to remain calm after your husband was murdered?
What commands were not followed correctly?
No idea what this has to do with a cop who clearly was overwhelmed by the situation.
Shootings threads all moved here. I screwed up. lol
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How much pot would it take, to remain calm after your husband was murdered?
What commands were not followed correctly?
No idea what this has to do with a cop who clearly was overwhelmed by the situation.
All we know is her version at this point, could be 100% correct......Sure will be interesting to see the tox report and the Cops version of what he said/saw......FYI, I'm on the side of the Cop FU BIG TIME but this video from 3 days before does toss up some red flags for me......:0008
More from a retired teacher...
More from a retired teacher...
I HAD A 9TH. GRADE BLACK FEMALE STUDENT I SAW WALKING TO SCHOOL ONE DAY IN THE RAIN.
1) I wasn't about to offer a ride. If I had and she said I did something or said something inappropriate, I would have been convicted before she finished talking.
2) I managed to retire with the worst accusation being I reminded a girl of her parole officer. I took that as a compliment. She and her boyfriend had sexually assaulted a baby. She was on probation.
3) The girl walking in the rain told me she didn't have a ride because her mother was in jail for traffic warrants.
4) She then said her mother's live in boy friend was also in jail for traffic warrants.
5) She then told me her brother was in prison in El Paso for burglary. She told me he didn't do it. He just confessed to keep his family from going through a trial.
6) I felt sorry for her. She never gave me any problems.
7) I had a black male that I really liked. He quit coming to school. One day I asked an assistant principal if she knew anything. She told me he was in jail awaiting trial for armed robbery with a sawed off shotgun.
8) I saw a black student try shove a white AP down a set of concrete steps. The AP managed to grab a railing before falling any further.
9) We had a black quarterback shot and killed at a party about 2 blocks from school. That Monday morning, first thing, I had about 5 kids that had seen the shooting. Those 5 were great kids, but just got another act of violence entering into their lives.
10) I asked some 9th grade classes if they knew anyone in prison or jail. They didn't have to tell me. I made that clear. I told them no names. Half the class raised their hands. The things the kids had been exposed to makes you sick. One saw an uncle slash his wife with a knife. Selling drugs, armed robbery, assault with weapons, etc.. One set her boyfriend's car on fire. One got mad at her grandmother and set their house on fire.
11) This is the environment of way too many black kids. Violence is a way of life for them starting at an early age.
12) At the middle school, security had to pull a mother away from her son. She was beating the shit out of him for stealing. An AP at that school had been shot in the butt a year before I got there. He was shot for disciplining a kid.
13) The problem is not the police. It is in the homes of these young black children that know nothing but violence, crime, and no fathers. Our politicians sell out to the black activists and media that goes for the sensational BS that goes for the money. They refuse to address this problem.
More from a retired teacher...
I HAD A 9TH. GRADE BLACK FEMALE STUDENT I SAW WALKING TO SCHOOL ONE DAY IN THE RAIN.
1) I wasn't about to offer a ride. If I had and she said I did something or said something inappropriate, I would have been convicted before she finished talking.
2) I managed to retire with the worst accusation being I reminded a girl of her parole officer. I took that as a compliment. She and her boyfriend had sexually assaulted a baby. She was on probation.
3) The girl walking in the rain told me she didn't have a ride because her mother was in jail for traffic warrants.
4) She then said her mother's live in boy friend was also in jail for traffic warrants.
5) She then told me her brother was in prison in El Paso for burglary. She told me he didn't do it. He just confessed to keep his family from going through a trial.
6) I felt sorry for her. She never gave me any problems.
7) I had a black male that I really liked. He quit coming to school. One day I asked an assistant principal if she knew anything. She told me he was in jail awaiting trial for armed robbery with a sawed off shotgun.
8) I saw a black student try shove a white AP down a set of concrete steps. The AP managed to grab a railing before falling any further.
9) We had a black quarterback shot and killed at a party about 2 blocks from school. That Monday morning, first thing, I had about 5 kids that had seen the shooting. Those 5 were great kids, but just got another act of violence entering into their lives.
10) I asked some 9th grade classes if they knew anyone in prison or jail. They didn't have to tell me. I made that clear. I told them no names. Half the class raised their hands. The things the kids had been exposed to makes you sick. One saw an uncle slash his wife with a knife. Selling drugs, armed robbery, assault with weapons, etc.. One set her boyfriend's car on fire. One got mad at her grandmother and set their house on fire.
11) This is the environment of way too many black kids. Violence is a way of life for them starting at an early age.
12) At the middle school, security had to pull a mother away from her son. She was beating the shit out of him for stealing. An AP at that school had been shot in the butt a year before I got there. He was shot for disciplining a kid.
13) The problem is not the police. It is in the homes of these young black children that know nothing but violence, crime, and no fathers. Our politicians sell out to the black activists and media that goes for the sensational BS that goes for the money. They refuse to address this problem.
Wow, thanks for this post written by a retired teacher, not Cry boy.
The original author is right, that shit only goes down where the coloreds live, but they have the same chances as one of ours if they just stay in school right?
Sounds like this guy were a real pillar of strength for those kids, someone they could go to for some good "white guy" advice. Of course they'd have to catch him during office hours or something because ain't no way he was gonna give one of them a ride in the rain or anything. Fuck that.
Yeah with educators such as the guy who originally penned that post so strongly committed to the community they're teaching in and a police force so understanding of the plight of poverty, I'm sure it's something wrong with the way they're bred. Like he said, it's just the way "they" are brought up.
Again, thanks for posting this. I have been informed it is from a retired teacher, which I do find a bit saddening personally.
Hope this helps,
FDC
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The original author is right, that shit only goes down where the coloreds live, but they have the same chances as one of ours if they just stay in school right?
Sounds like this guy were a real pillar of strength for those kids, someone they could go to for some good "white guy" advice. Of course they'd have to catch him during office hours or something because ain't no way he was gonna give one of them a ride in the rain or anything. Fuck that.
Yeah with educators such as the guy who originally penned that post so strongly committed to the community they're teaching in and a police force so understanding of the plight of poverty, I'm sure it's something wrong with the way they're bred. Like he said, it's just the way "they" are brought up.
Again, thanks for posting this. I have been informed it is from a retired teacher, which I do find a bit saddening personally.
Hope this helps,
FDC
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That was a perspective from a retired school teacher, Cris.
We need a solution. But where do we start? My suggestion is to start with educating our youth behaviors that would keep them alive. Then address the bad apples in the police department.
We need a solution. But where do we start? My suggestion is to start with educating our youth behaviors that would keep them alive. Then address the bad apples in the police department.
The Police do arrest/deal with the "bad apples" and then the Lawyers/DA's make deals and let them right back out.....There's no respect or accountability, the system is broke and the bad apples know it........:0008
It's really fucking simple, if you are confronted by a cop, sheriff, anyone with a badge comply with whatever they want you to do.
Yeah what if you're black and you do and you get shot and killed anyway? What then racist?
Why don't you tell me how that never happens and how you being a racist pig is the presidents fault.
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Wrong again. People get shot when they comply too.
I'll say it again waterhedge, saying something out loud doesn't make it true
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This is among the stupidest things I've heard yet. Your example has absolutely ZERO to do with this inane assumption. Maybe it's part of your NRA membership that you have to post that every so often?
I don't know, but I do know it's the mantra the NRA hides behind when anyone mentions banning assault rifles so I'm guessing that's where you picked it up.
I almost, almost, understand your line of thinking when it comes to never wanting to be told what to do. I'll never agree with it, but I guess I can sorta understand it. The problem is we don't live in a world that can tolerate you not wanting to comply just because you know you aren't guilty of anything.
Those cops (some of which are truly asshats) have a difficult job to do and honestly don't know whether or not you will do them any harm. How are they supposed to know? Just because you are FDC doesn't mean shit to them. I respect that they don't know what my intentions are when they roll up to the car window and try to make it easy on them because I wouldn't want to be in that situation.
Showing your ID when asked does not make you less of a man nor does it mean one day you will have to walk around with it stapled to your ball cap like a fishing license.
At some point, give us a break.
Ummmm, I'm not an NRA member nor do I support them.
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All the "open carry" rednecks had their tails curled between their legs once they heard real gun shots. Dumbasses! Leave your guns at home.
Look, I'm not saying that you should rebuke all authority just because you want to or can. If I were stopped on the street by police and asked for an I.D. why is it that I can't ask why they are asking without being looked at as a troublemaker. Why can't I exercise my right to ask why I was pulled over, or contest an action that is illegal? Years ago a kid down the street had a huge party that got out of hand. My neighbor and I walked down about six houses to see if our kids were there and to get them out. As we approached we saw officers pulling up in several squad cars. Kids went running everywhere. My neighbor one I stepped back out of the way to let officers do whatever they were going to do. After calm was restored, we once again proceeded down the street. A female officer approached and sternly told us, "you two, I need to see some ID now". I had on gym shorts no pockets. The way she said it put us both on the defensive and I said, "excuse me ma'am but why are you asking for my I.D., I'm simply walking down the street looking for my kid". Without going through the entire dialogue, suffice it to say she was upset and ultimately a senior officer came over and defused the situation by simply asking who we were and why we were there. He explained the concern that we could have possibly been the ones that supplied the alcohol to minors etc... i told him my first name and pointed to my house and why we were there. I invited him to watch me walk back into my house and mind my own business if he so desired. I explained I had no pockets and only walked down to see if my kid was there, which she was not. He apologized for bothering us I thanked him for his service and diligence and we went on our way. Obviously they could easily gather my information from my address which they now had if they really needed it.
My point is, the right to ask why or to not show my i.d. at certain times is my constitutional right. When an officer knowingly violates that right, and they know they are, it shouldn't be incumbent upon me to give up my constitutional liberties just to avoid making a public servant mad when they're the ones breaking the law in the first place. If you choose to do so, be my guest, I'm sure it will work out fine, but to say "just do whatever the cop says and they'd be alive today" is incredibly dismissive and wrong in my opinion.
Also, assertion that civil liberties and rights can't be restricted or lost when is hardly inane. Ask the Japanese during the war.
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My point is, the right to ask why or to not show my i.d. at certain times is my constitutional right. When an officer knowingly violates that right, and they know they are, it shouldn't be incumbent upon me to give up my constitutional liberties just to avoid making a public servant mad when they're the ones breaking the law in the first place. If you choose to do so, be my guest, I'm sure it will work out fine, but to say "just do whatever the cop says and they'd be alive today" is incredibly dismissive and wrong in my opinion.
Also, assertion that civil liberties and rights can't be restricted or lost when is hardly inane. Ask the Japanese during the war.
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This is the situation exactly. On top of that, if you do get that rogue, one in a thousand cop, YOU just started trouble in his/her eyes. Just show your ID, period. Funny, that FDC referenced just one example of being in gym shorts, yet you are basing your argument on that one time. it seems, although I am sure you will prove me very wrong. You (FDC) quoted,
"When an officer knowingly violates that right, and they know they are, it shouldn't be incumbent upon me to give up my constitutional liberties just to avoid making a public servant mad when they're the ones breaking the law in the first place. If you choose to do so, be my guest, I'm sure it will work out fine, but to say "just do whatever the cop says and they'd be alive today" is incredibly dismissive and wrong in my opinion."
If you choose not to do so with a rogue policeman, you are at risk even more if you have nothing to hide. Maybe that is the real issue with people that refuse.
Like I said, everyone can do whatever they want. Why is it that exercising a constitutional right has to be prefaced with, "something to hide"? I just don't understand how an interaction between two people where one is knowingly committing a crime and the other is simply defending their constitutional rights. The people are absolute equals. One is a public servant the other a private citizen and the only one doing anything against the law is the cop, yet here we are automatically assuming that the law abiding citizen is somehow causing trouble. It's dumbfounding to me. I don't have to have gym shorts on, i don't have to be hiding anything, maybe just maybe, I want to exercise the civil rights I'm afforded and defended in the marine corps. Maybe I want the police to quit violating people's rights.
THERE ISN'T AN ISSUE WITH PEOPLE REFUSING TO SHOW THEIR I'D, THE ISSUE IS WITH THE ONES VIOLATING YOUR RIGHTS IN THE FIRST PLACE BY ASKING FOR IT WITHOUT CAUSE.
It isn't one in a thousand and they aren't rogue cops. They haven't got rabies or are secret Nazis. There are more than 1 in 1000 people in the U.S. that are racist or and police are part of that same population, so the percentages will remain consistent regardless of their job.
Also, I've refused to give my I.D. to an off duty cop working security at a baseball game. What's the big deal, I'm obeying the law and the officer isn't.
That's the issue, not refusal.
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