GW, either way it's not big deal to me but what did Machida do in the first? I like both guys and wouldn't have cared much either way to be honest besides a small play on Page.
UFC 123: Rampage vs. Machida Saturday Nov 20th
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If he doesn't go chase him we don't have a fight. That is what everyone is pointing at. He landed some toe stomps doesn't this count? How about a few knees and elbows in the clinch against the fence? Don't they count either? U make it sound like Machida blew him out. I didn't bet the fight but the decision isn't as bad as u make it out. I have seen way bigger robberies then this one. If they gave it to Machida i wouldn't have scream foul either. I lean Machida or draw in this one. sure Rampage looked defeated. His body language was because of the third round. You mean when guys lose and raise their hands and run around the ring, because of their body language, i should think they won?
Watching the fight live at home when the final bell went I thought Machida had won. The submission attempt, mount, takedown and rally of punches were the most damage in the fight.
But the issue here is the Judging and the system they use. Under the current rules/ scoring this was a close fight but I think when MMA finally, if ever, gets the correct balance on the scorecards when we look back on this fight most will say Machida won a clear fight.
But what is the correct balance. Score the fight round by round or the whole fight as one round. Is a takedown equal to stopping a takedown. Is a punch the same as a near submission?
I think here on the betting forums we take more offense to bad calls and quite rightly so - we all have money on the line though I do think it evens it self out over the course of the year. Still those who had Machida or Machida by decision yesterday will not feel that way this morning.
But the issue here is the Judging and the system they use. Under the current rules/ scoring this was a close fight but I think when MMA finally, if ever, gets the correct balance on the scorecards when we look back on this fight most will say Machida won a clear fight.
But what is the correct balance. Score the fight round by round or the whole fight as one round. Is a takedown equal to stopping a takedown. Is a punch the same as a near submission?
I think here on the betting forums we take more offense to bad calls and quite rightly so - we all have money on the line though I do think it evens it self out over the course of the year. Still those who had Machida or Machida by decision yesterday will not feel that way this morning.
Well it seems there are a lot of idiots on the board gmroz.....
LOOK HOW MANY OF US (and MMA media) scored the fight for Rampage
I guess the true idiots are the ones that think Lyoto got robbed:shrug:
It was close.......Lyoto ran and lost....deal with it.
LOOK HOW MANY OF US (and MMA media) scored the fight for Rampage
I guess the true idiots are the ones that think Lyoto got robbed:shrug:
It was close.......Lyoto ran and lost....deal with it.
Sponge makes a great point.........if there was no Rampage there would have been no fight in 1st two rounds.
How anyone can say Lyoto got robbed is comical to me.
The fight was close, why gmroz and GW can't see that is beyond me.
A draw, a win or a loss was fine with me, it was that close.
This was not a bad decision.
How anyone can say Lyoto got robbed is comical to me.
The fight was close, why gmroz and GW can't see that is beyond me.
A draw, a win or a loss was fine with me, it was that close.
This was not a bad decision.
Round 1.
Machida landed leg kicks, he landed a flying knee to the body, the light knees in the clinch and he landed some punches. Rampage partially landed an uppercut, some light knees in the clinch and some foot stomps.
That was not Rampage's round! Watch it again. Rampage must have gotten a lot of credit for swinging at air, because that is pretty much what he did.
Round 2.
Rampage gets a big take down and connects with a nice uppercut and some knees in the clinch. Machida controls the last minute of the round and knocks down Rampage at the very end of the round. The way the round ended, things did not seem quite as clear cut for Rampage as it had 2 minutes earlier.
Give that one to Rampage, even though neither took any damage.
Round 3.
Lyoto does the most damage in the fight, stunning Rampage with punches and knees. Machida controls the rest of the round with a take down that put him in full mount. Not a lot of damage done to Rampage, but Rampage did nothing but avoid getting taken out.
Give that one to Machida as a no-doubt round. I can't see giving him 10-8 because the amount of damage done wasn't there, but it was no doubt who won that round.
Someone please watch this fight again and tell me where I am wrong.
Kyle: I was making a joke when I said we all know there is only one idiot on this board. Relax, brother. I threw this in to help make that more apparent......
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I know you were.....I just like to have a couple idiot friends that's all:142smilie
And I know you feel bad, Lyoto is your GSP, I'd be pissed if GSP lost a close fight.
My only "bone of contention" is that some think Lyoto got robbed. He didn't.
And I know you feel bad, Lyoto is your GSP, I'd be pissed if GSP lost a close fight.
My only "bone of contention" is that some think Lyoto got robbed. He didn't.
Watch Round 1 again and tell me that Rampage won it. That is all GW and I are complaining about. Everyone is giving it to Rampage, but there is no way he took it. It's crazy.
The scoring in this sport is horrendous. The judges need monitors and they need to review the round with instant replay if need be. It has to be hard looking through a cage to see whether or not punches are landing or if they are whiffs. The way Machida drives into you when you start a punch mirks things up if you don't have a clear look at what is happening.
He was clearly robbed. Not the worst decision, but this was a brutal one and clearly wrong.
The talk of Lyoto running around the cage is really exaggerated. He does start the first two rounds that way, but once they start to engage he becomes the aggressor for the rest of the round.
Well, if i had money on the fight i think i would be more upset if i had the money on Machida so i see the guys who stand with Machida on this one. If i had the money on Rampage i would have thought i caught a break. You got to hand it to both guys tho. Rampage went after him like Shogun did and Machida showed no effects of his knockout last fight. Machida fought just like the old Machida and that is good for the sport. So many guys get knocked out and never fight the same again. One thing i don't like is that this sets back a Machida Shogun three. A trilogy that i would want to see.
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should be 2 judges at ringside and the 3rd judge should be the referee. Also need to fire all these idiot boxing judges like Peeples and Jarmin and get in some judges that know MMA. Maybe one judge with a wrestling background, one with a bjj background, and the ref.
dana on a rematch...?No. No. As far as I?m concerned, and apparently, as far as the judges are concerned, Rampage won that fight,? said UFC president Dana White at the UFC 123 post-fight press conference.
?I don?t play favorites. I call ?em like I see ?em. (Rampage) won two rounds. It?s a three-round fight. You won two of them, he won one of them. You?re the winner,? he said, squashing any speculation about an immediate rematch."
of course he doesn`t...it would be embarrassing the second time around...jackson is a bad style match-up for machida...
this guy`s fingerprints are all over this decision...if he had his druthers,machida would be out.....
he`s sending a message...skill and technical expertise need not apply..we want blood and guts....fight injured....don`t fight to the best of your natural ability...fight to suit the organization...
the ufc has become just as,if not more,political than boxing...
looking forward to the day dana white fails...
?I don?t play favorites. I call ?em like I see ?em. (Rampage) won two rounds. It?s a three-round fight. You won two of them, he won one of them. You?re the winner,? he said, squashing any speculation about an immediate rematch."
of course he doesn`t...it would be embarrassing the second time around...jackson is a bad style match-up for machida...
this guy`s fingerprints are all over this decision...if he had his druthers,machida would be out.....
he`s sending a message...skill and technical expertise need not apply..we want blood and guts....fight injured....don`t fight to the best of your natural ability...fight to suit the organization...
the ufc has become just as,if not more,political than boxing...
looking forward to the day dana white fails...
