Vegas Craps - Harley Style ......

[1fsthatch]

Its cool Harley, definitley try to make it back sown that way though..Defintiely like to see ya come in a nd get in on the action..

I believe they give good meal comps, especially when your playing and the pit boss see's your not beeing a flea like some of the regulars..Placing 3 dollars on the don't pass and 4 dollars on the pass..lol You know how some old people are..

Good luck this week, hope to see ya make it in..

 

[yyz]

I've tossd the bones for quite a few years, and never had the hands build up any sweat. I can't see the act being that much of a chore......even for a self-proclaimed savant.

I see guys fumble with the dice every time I play, and none of them have MONSTER rolls that people read about in books, mags, and forums. In fact, most of them just piss the table off.

Yesterday, a kid was with his mom and held the dice for the stickman's entire turn. Start to finish. That's one I've never seen. The stick tapped in right on the seven out, and got tapped out as the kid sevend out........sweet roll. Kid never played the game before, and was just a ramdom chucker. First roll was a shortie, and he got the speech, and every roll after that was a rocket off the wall!

Just one time in my life, I would love to stumble upon a table where a "crew" of you pros are cleaning up on your trade! I hear about the "stories" all of the time, but have yet to see Bigfoot. I'd even settle for finding one of you.

 

[HarleyHorn]

I've tossd the bones for quite a few years, and never had the hands build up any sweat. I can't see the act being that much of a chore......even for a self-proclaimed savant.
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xyz ... it's not that big of a deal, probably only 5% of my overall game package ........ you are lucky you don't have the same handicap as I do, but then again living up north may help in that matter ?? .... not every MLB pitcher uses the rosin bag ... you may be in the majority that doesn't need it

........ do you play golf without gloves .... or bat without a batting glove ....... just curious

... Yesterday, a kid was with his mom and held the dice for the stickman's entire turn. Start to finish. That's one I've never seen.

Wow :scared ....... you should come to Vegas more often ..... a stick changes here every 20 minutes ....... or roughly 15 to 25 rolls or so ........ I had a 38 roll hand this morning that had 2 stickman changes and was working into the 3rd stickman.......... if I don't have at least a hand that last longer than 1 stickman change a day I might as well look for a day job instead of tossing the bones

all I can say is it takes practice, no different than what any gamer does in whatever sport he does, be it baseball or football or basketball or tossing bones ......... no good performer just steps up to the plate without batting practice

......... maybe that is all you play with ... recreational players (tourists) that don't practice ?? .... wish you better luck in the future !!!

 

[yyz]

Harley, I'm sure you run into guys like me all of the time, so I will spare you the time of the inevitable debate we would have.

Craps is a great game, and I'm happy for you that you live near the action.

 

[StevieD]

I admit to setting the dice and doing a "controlled" throw. If there is anything to it or not I don't know. I do know that if there is nothing to it then it doesn't cause any harm.
Question. the other night at Foxwoods I go to this table and saw something I never saw before. The place was packed it was Friday night and I felt lucky I got a table.
A woman had the dice and she was just beginning her turn as I bought in. She was about 30, hanging out of her top and she was fumbling with the dice like a setter. I was beginning to fall in love when she starts her throw. Nice grip,I thought to myself, then one, two three she lets the dice go. As they float by my face i notice a nice slow backspin. Then my eyes follow the dice over the backwall and halfway down the next table where they settled on the floor behind the stickman.
I retrieved the dice and when I returned them that was when I saw that she was drunk as a skunk.
She had plenty of money all over the table. All the place numbers covered. She wass doing don't comes and doing comes. for 50 bucks with full odds. When she lost she took another grand out of her pocketbook.
She argued every throw, she held up the game by making late bets. Once when a shooter was throwing she was trying to make a late bet and actually hit the shooters hand.
My question is why wasn't she removed? Was it because she had so much money and was losing? It made no sense to me.

 

[HarleyHorn]

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She argued every throw, she held up the game by making late bets. Once when a shooter was throwing she was trying to make a late bet and actually hit the shooters hand.
My question is why wasn't she removed? Was it because she had so much money and was losing? It made no sense to me.

Good question StevieD ...... my observations have been that almost anything goes at the Craps table as most disruptions only effect the customers and eventually help the house

I was at Caesar's in Vegas a few Sunday's ago when 2 Brothers approached the table with a wad of $$$ in hand .......... now let me preface to say that Caesar's is probably the #1 most elite crap tables in Vegas with the deepest pocket customers .... 7 tables with Minimum bets tables ranging mostly from $25 to $50 and $100 and it is not uncommon to see a Minimum bet $500 table either ..... rarely does a table ever drop to $15 except maybe at 7:00 AM

Anyway - these 2 Brothers with their low-waisted shorts & tall statures were more suited for the Harlem street basketball courts & looked out of place among the Golf shirts and Rolex watches .... their MO was to walk around the 7 tables until they found someone shooting with the 4 or 10 as a point ....... they would then Lay the Point for $1,000. and start leaning over the table where the dice were being thrown with their remaining cash held out in plain view of the shooter ........ then they would start trash talking the shooter:

"Come on shooter - you are not good enough to make that point !! ... Where is the 7 .... throw a 7 for me !!"

the dealers would tell them to raise their hands out of the way of the dice and they would comply each time for only a split second or two for the dice to land before they started putting their hands & $$$ back in the way before the shooter would toss again

For 5 hours I saw them win about 90% of their bets ....... they trash talked me 3 times & "beat" me 2 out of the 3 times ...... the 1 time I made my Point and knocked off their Lay bet I received a loud applause from the other players & Dealers ....... No one liked them including the Dealers as Caesars' Dealers are probably best at taking care of their customers as they almost always earn their big tips .......... However, there was nothing they could do to stop this intrusion on the tables except apologize to their high rollers .......

One nice Caesars' Afro-American Dealer lady that usually kids me about my Harley and is always asking when I am going to take her for "a ride" gave those Brothers the "Look" as they would walk up to the table and stick their nose in to see if the 4 or 10 were the Point ....... one Brother even said "You know I am just being nosy" as he responded to that Look and she snapped back with a hateful tone but restrained in that polite Caesars' Dealer way: "Yes, YOU SURE ARE BEING NOSY TODAY"

...... on a separate note, a few weeks later a Caesar's customer was playing the Don'ts and colored up for $1.5 million ...... I did not see it and I am not sure what he bought in for but word is he made $1.2 million just playing the Don'ts ....... based on what I see at Caesars most of the time, maybe the Dark side is the best way to go @ Caesars :shrug:

 

[Trizzle]

hottest roll ever (that I personally was in on)

hottest roll ever (that I personally was in on)

Was at the Wynn a couple of weeks back and one shooter held the dice for 2 hours and 5 minutes. I wasn't clocking him, too busy collecting chips, the pit boss told me after he finally crapped out that he had clocked it. A lot of fun. He was one lucky b*stard, he had a hot wife/girlfriend standing by his side the entire roll. She didn't have a clue what she was doing and won herself about 8 grand.

 

[SoCalYo]

just got back from Vegas and hit my usual tables at the Rio and was doing pretty good. My rolls were not good at all, I would say I crapped out after 5-6 rolls every time. I was playing small off my rolls and raised my wagers off the other rollers. I like to play 3-5 come bets with full odds in addition to the 6 and 8 so I defenetly need someone to roll for a while in order for me to make some good money. But the 6 and 8 were rolling that night and I ended hitting about 10-12 6 and 8 come bets off one roller and was pretty happy with my night.

Needless to say, the next morning I found a table that was dead cold and the other three players at the table left so I switched to the dark side. Knowing how bad I had been rolling the night before and since there was nobody else left I started playing the dont pass line and dont come bets and sure enough it started hitting for me. I rolled for about 30 minutes with a few looky loos browsing but took my winnings and ran as soon as people started to jump on.

I don't know why but I always do good at night and not so good in the morning, or maybe I just enjoy it more after pounding a few drinks.

 

[BBMF]

Yo Harley...How is it going? Just got back from a week in New England with the wife (love those Maine lobsters and the Italian Food in Boston's North End). Unfortunately, no gambing in Mass and Maine.

Thought I'd bump your post up and try and get an update.

Hope all is well!

 

[HarleyHorn]

thanks guys ..... good stories ........ Best Luck to you at the Tables !!!!

WARNING - Four Queens Casino

This Downtown Las Vegas casino has installed the following items on it's Craps Tables:

1. Microfiber surface - a textured surface (a non-smooth surface similar in texture to a smooth leather basketball ball) - much different than the traditional smoother felt surface ......... the texture grabs the corner of the dice to keep them from rolling properly ...... can make the dice look like popcorn popping

2. Washboards installed in last 15 inches of the table ends ....... yes I said Washboards - corrugated hard material with groves that are like mountains and valleys to dice installed under the microfiber surface & invisible to the eye, but easily felt with your fingers ..... the last 15 inches of the table surface are similar to the metal portion seen in the following picture of a washboard

3. Dark Green Dice .... come on now -- why not use red dice like normal casinos

.... seems to me the Four Queens is approaching borderline violations of the Nevada Gaming Laws with respect to the washboard surfaces:

NRS 465.083 Cheating.

It is unlawful for any person, whether he is an owner or employee of or a player in an establishment, to cheat at any gambling game.

NRS 465.070 Fraudulent acts. It is unlawful for any person:

7. To manipulate, with the intent to cheat, any component of a gaming device in a manner contrary to the designed and normal operational purpose for the component, including, but not limited to, varying the pull of the handle of a slot machine, with knowledge that the manipulation affects the outcome of the game or with knowledge of any event that affects the outcome of the game.

... 9. To change or alter the normal outcome of any game played on an interactive gaming system or a mobile gaming system or the way in which the outcome is reported to any participant in the game.

http://www.gambling-law-us.com/State-Laws/Nevada/

 

[HarleyHorn]

My "best kept secret" is the $ 4.95 steak special at the Ellis Island Casino. Can't beat the BBQ there either !!!

Under the category that things keep changing in Las Vegas - Ellis Island has changed the price on its Top Sirloin Steak Special to $6.99, but now it includes a glass of brew - either their homemade beer or root beer which runs about $1.50, so basically a $.50 increase :com:

........... I still visit there every week :SIB

 

[kosar]

Under the category that things keep changing in Las Vegas - Ellis Island has changed the price on its Top Sirloin Steak Special to $6.99, but now it includes a glass of brew - either their homemade beer or root beer which runs about $1.50, so basically a $.50 increase :com:

Thanks for looking out, man.

 

[cavy1]

Hey Harley
Heading out to Vegas this week to play in a hockey tournament. Going to make an appointment with the dice coach in the next few days. Hope to catch up with you. I can always use a good roll at the craps table

thanks
cavy1

 

[HarleyHorn]

Good luck cavy1 -- with both the puck & bones !!!! ...... ask Dice Coach for my cell number or send me an email

However, I am shortly taking a trip to Tunica, Mississippi to play with a "Craps Gang" down there so I hope I don't miss your Las Vegas trip

Caesar's in Vegas:

I just spent a few days there in 1 of their suites thanks to a High Roller friend of mine ..... and here is what I learned:

- they now offer free WiFi in Caesar's that works great on the iPhones whereas most Strip casinos charge around $12.95 per day for internet service

- no one was using the topless European Caesar's pool just when my view from the suite was perfect ... must be too cold ?? :shrug: still in the 80's and the other pools were crowded

- 2 ambulances respond to every medical emergency call ..... the Las Vegas city ambulance supposedly has better trained medical personnel, but will not transport unless it is a severe emergency... the private ambulance service also responding will transport lesser emergencies

- my favorite craps table at Caesar's is the 1 closest to their cage, but it is not the Fire Bet table ........ unlike other Harrah's properties, Caesar's only has 1 of it's 7 tables fitted with the Fire Bet .... and it is as bouncy as a trampoline

- the Pussycat Dolls are now performing longer hours as BlackJack, Roulette dealers & pole dancers near the Sports Book

 

[BBMF]

Bumpin' you up, Harley....

Hope your trip to Tunica goes well!

Thanks for the PC Dolls:SIB

 

[saint]

Bumpin' you up, Harley....

Hope your trip to Tunica goes well!

Thanks for the PC Dolls:SIB

Does your name stand for Big Black Motha Fuker? I've always wondered :shrug:

 

[acehistr8]

Was just at Casesars and I have to hand it to them. I didnt think Harrahs could destroy that property any more than they already had through degrading the blackjack rules to be the worst on the strip and eliminating the playable VP - but I was wrong. They made the BJ rules in the PC pit actually worse. I dont get it. I mean, go to just about any casino on the strip you can see hotter cocktail waitresses wearing better outfits and not get killed on the rules. Such is life.

 

[HarleyHorn]

Was just at Casesars and I have to hand it to them. I didnt think Harrahs could destroy that property any more than they already had through degrading the blackjack rules to be the worst on the strip and eliminating the playable VP - but I was wrong. They made the BJ rules in the PC pit actually worse. I dont get it. I mean, go to just about any casino on the strip you can see hotter cocktail waitresses wearing better outfits and not get killed on the rules. Such is life.

acehistr8 - great points about Caesars ... it's really sad how bad "Corporate Harrah's" can screw up the littlest things that matter ....... they even took the good chocolates out of the Seven Star's Lounge :nono: ... and you are so right about the waitresses in the Table Pit ...... they are some of the ugliest on the Strip :shrug:

Best Waitress outfit = Rio

Next Best Waitress outfits = The Orleans & Mandalay Bay

Best Looking Waitresses = Bellagio & Red Rock

......... but that's just my opinion

Back to how "Corporate Harrah's" has ruined gambling as it should be ...... I talked to a Host at Bally's in Tunica (owned by Resorts - Hilton) this past weekend who had worked for the Horseshoe in Tunica for 12 years until Harrah's bought them and ruined how she could effectively do her job ..... so she left the Harrah's Horseshoe ...........

and she was great at Bally's in Tunica ....... they had moved the Craps Table to a new spot under a very strong A/C blower and we were all ordering Hot chocolate to keep our fingers warm ..... so she went to the gift shop and ordered our Tunica Craps' Gang all very nice fleece lined sweaters .... all this just after the Bally's Pit Bosses there had given our Gang each $80.00 free dinner comps at their best restaurant for only a few hours play ..... it takes me about 50 hours of craps play at any Harrah's property to earn a $9.00 sandwich :com:

.... just ask for Gail if you need a great Host at Bally's in Tunica

 

[acehistr8]

Yeah I stopped giving Harrahs any of my real craps play when I found out they dont rate your odds. With my $15 passline and full odds on that and up to 3 come bets I can easily have $300 or more on the table on one throw - but I'm only getting rated on $60 (four $15 bets). Screw that, I can play BJ at $150-$200 a hand for less volatility and get comps out the ass. Bottom line, craps is just not a good game to play if you are looking for comps, you will get nowhere near the money back that you are putting at risk relative to other games.

I always stay at Paris in LV and Caesars in AC but give Harrahs properties very little play every trip, maybe 2-3 hours at the most over a 4-5 day stay. But between BJ and VP it is enough to retain my Platinum card and free rooms for the year. I've stayed in AC and Vegas for 17 nights this year and not paid for one and probably given them 15 hours total in play. As long as I can continue to take advantage of their free rooms I will play elsewhere.

 

[Agent 0659]

Yeah I stopped giving Harrahs any of my real craps play when I found out they dont rate your odds. With my $15 passline and full odds on that and up to 3 come bets I can easily have $300 or more on the table on one throw - but I'm only getting rated on $60 (four $15 bets). Screw that, I can play BJ at $150-$200 a hand for less volatility and get comps out the ass. Bottom line, craps is just not a good game to play if you are looking for comps, you will get nowhere near the money back that you are putting at risk relative to other games.

I always stay at Paris in LV and Caesars in AC but give Harrahs properties very little play every trip, maybe 2-3 hours at the most over a 4-5 day stay. But between BJ and VP it is enough to retain my Platinum card and free rooms for the year. I've stayed in AC and Vegas for 17 nights this year and not paid for one and probably given them 15 hours total in play. As long as I can continue to take advantage of their free rooms I will play elsewhere.

How can you say you get better odds at BJ than a craps odds bet? The reason you get comped better at BJ is because the odds are worse, right?