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Back in the day Govs Wallace and Faubus did all they could to fight desegregation and keep black and disadvantaged kids from exercising choice and attending better schools...Today many Democrats are doing all they can to keep the black and disadvantaged kids inside rotten public schools, blocking any of these kid's attempts of exercising choice and attending better schools.

as NY Times reported in a recent story on the Massachusetts charter school expansion vote:

A University of Michigan professor...Dynarski is a proudly progressive former union organizer. She told me that she had agonized over being on the opposite side of an issue as some of her friends and usual allies.

She wrote a Facebook post about why she hoped Massachusetts voters would approve the expansion. In the post, she acknowledged that some teachers would not want to work in charter schools. And if schools? main function were to provide good jobs for adults, an expansion of charters might not make sense. Obviously, however, schools have another, larger mission.

?The gains to children in Massachusetts charters are enormous. They are larger than any I have seen in my career,? Dynarski wrote. ?To me, it is immoral to deny children a better education because charters don?t meet some voters? ideal of what a public school should be. Children don?t live in the long term. They need us to deliver now.?
 

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I did and I can't think of a worse selection. She has railed against public education her entire career.
Trump isn't draining a damn thing. He's a snake oil salesman and always will be. He'll line his pockets, refuse to give up holdings in companies that are directly affected by his policies or decisions. He owns hundreds of thousands of shares in the parent company of the Dakota pipeline as well one of the oil companies that will benefit from the pipeline. I think we'll see him allow the pipeline to go through the Sioux nation land and cease any talks with them to find a better plan. His entire presidency will be a conflict of interest.

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Nice negative post here. How can you say YOU can't think of a worse selection? What has worked to this point? I am not getting into it with you, but you have this narrow-minded approach that I just do not get.

His ENTIRE presidency? Seriously? Because he is not a politician? You thinking or adding that many of our government officials have not "lined" their pockets to this point is crazy thinking, i.e. the poor, broke Clinton's, according to Hillary just awhile back, yet sits on a treasure chest of a lot of pay for play money. Yeah, no lining there, right?
 

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Lowell,
I have no regard for you or your posts. You're a stupid person and a bigot to the highest degree, so let's not pretend like I give a flying fuck about your idiotic opinion. How about you just stick to dragging your nails down the chalkboard for fun.

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Another thrown jab, because of his opinion. Not sure your history or who lowell is, but must go back to the political forum I am not a member of.
 

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FDC, I use to love your post man. I really did, you always had a great voice on things but the last few years you've really become the most opinionated close minded person on this site. Outside of a few ghost posters on here you call more people names than anyone else. I'm not sure what happened in your life but once your mind closes to other people's voices you stop growing. Not everyone has had the same life as you and because of that some people see things from the other side and it doesn't make either person wrong. Most people that voted for Trump aren't racist or homophobic or whatever else is popular to call them. I voted for him but I voted for him because I'm tired of what we've had in office and that includes Republicans and Democrats.

You guys think his choice for Sec of Education is bad. What did Duncan do for education? It's a broken system that doesn't serve the kids at this point. It serves people who want "good" test scores. Yes, DeVos has been against public schools but that doesn't make her bad. What if her way is better? What if because you're close minded on the issue you're not seeing what might be best for the kids. IMO the kids that are going to do well are going to do well no matter what. It's the group that isn't doing well and really nothing is being done about it other than making sure they get to the next grade. That system is working for them. There is proof that public charter schools close the achievement gap for students of color. Do I know for sure what will work, hell no but I'm willing to look at other options. Too high of a % of kids have been failed by our current system, why would I want to keep doing the same thing then?

THIS!! Great post layinwood. These are exactly my thoughts.

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FDC, I use to love your post man. I really did, you always had a great voice on things but the last few years you've really become the most opinionated close minded person on this site. Outside of a few ghost posters on here you call more people names than anyone else. I'm not sure what happened in your life but once your mind closes to other people's voices you stop growing. Not everyone has had the same life as you and because of that some people see things from the other side and it doesn't make either person wrong. Most people that voted for Trump aren't racist or homophobic or whatever else is popular to call them. I voted for him but I voted for him because I'm tired of what we've had in office and that includes Republicans and Democrats.

You guys think his choice for Sec of Education is bad. What did Duncan do for education? It's a broken system that doesn't serve the kids at this point. It serves people who want "good" test scores. Yes, DeVos has been against public schools but that doesn't make her bad. What if her way is better? What if because you're close minded on the issue you're not seeing what might be best for the kids. IMO the kids that are going to do well are going to do well no matter what. It's the group that isn't doing well and really nothing is being done about it other than making sure they get to the next grade. That system is working for them. There is proof that public charter schools close the achievement gap for students of color. Do I know for sure what will work, hell no but I'm willing to look at other options. Too high of a % of kids have been failed by our current system, why would I want to keep doing the same thing then?

I don't post as much as I used to. I appreciate your post.
I don't think everyone that voted for Trump is a racist or homophobe or anything of that nature. I do think Trump has displayed prejudiced tendencies throughout his public life and his campaign. I also believe he targeted, pandered to, empowered, maybe gave a voice to, a significant contingent of whites that now feel free to express their own tendencies or maybe feel that "political correctness" is no longer something to be regarded. He was openly demeaning to women, muslims, and people of color. His behavior and certainly his rhetoric, in my opinion, was egregious and falls far short of presidential. I am also very troubled by his failure to pay taxes or release his return as well as his refusal to divest himself from holdings which would benefit by his decisions. In short, I think he's an incredibly poor choice and I personally believe an irrational one.

I will admit that I struggle to understand why so many people that I consider intelligent would support his candidacy in any way. I really can't understand how people reconcile within themselves that he does and says things that are absolute lies or at the least delusional, his Twitter feed for example, yet they readily excuse or dismiss it and still think he's going to do anything other than what he's always done. I just don't get it. He's stolen money from students through a fake university, admittedly accosted women, refused to pay thousands to contractors, stolen from a veterans charity, and has never ever ever ever shown himself to be anything other than an egomaniacal, selfish, conceited, buffoon. His history of sending jobs overseas is somehow going to suddenly translate into a domestic job creator? How does that even make even a tiny bit of sense to anyone? When did leopards start changing their spots? How is someone that has shown nothing but disdain for those he considers beneath him going to suddenly bolster the same? So far I have seen nothing from him other than a tax plan that would crush the middle class while lining his pockets.

While I don't like him or some of his cabinet choices, I do hope all are successful. If he fails, we all suffer. The same goes for his appointments.

I'd like to believe I'm a very open minded individual and always have been. I would ask that you consider that there was no "wait and see" approach from conservatives when Obama was elected and he encountered the most obstructive, opposition from the right than any president in history. The outright refusal of Congress to do their appointed duty should have outraged all citizens, including those that are now saying they voted for Trump to get rid of the "status quo" and "same old politicians", as it is a constitutional directive and they flat out refused to do so.

When people say things like "it will take time to undo the last 8 years", I generally dismiss them as unreasonable and ignorant. When people have no regard for facts or truth I generally dismiss them. When people consistently make statements or posts denigrating other races, religions, or culture, I consider them to be bigoted and racist and dismiss them.

I try to be open minded and respond in kind to those that treat me with the same. I know I'm not perfect and I get shitty sometimes and am not the only one whose opinion matters. I will be more cognizant of it going forward.



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FDC. Perhaps many of us would not have voted for Trump if the Dems put up a viable candidate. They chose a person who got rich selling America for her own gain. While she was Sec of State. Never mind her views on open borders and refugees!

As for Trump I hope he is not another Globalist. I hoped the same thing for Obama, I was wrong.

I voted for Trump because I feel the world is a better place with a stronger America than China.

I hope he can turn the ship around. We know Hillary was not going to turn anything around she was one of the captains that led to the borders being open and jobs leaving the country.
 

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FCD, I agree about a lot of things you said about Trump. I have a 14 year old daughter and I had explain to her why I voted for him. The thing is, I didn't vote for him as a man. I voted for his ideas on where we should go as a country and the changes he'll make. He's detestable as human being but IMO Hillary is right there with him. I think if any of us said they were voting for the president because of how great of a person they are then we're all in trouble.


When JT posted about DeVos you said you couldn't think of a worse selection. Why is that?
 

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Nice negative post here. How can you say YOU can't think of a worse selection? What has worked to this point? I am not getting into it with you, but you have this narrow-minded approach that I just do not get.

His ENTIRE presidency? Seriously? Because he is not a politician? You thinking or adding that many of our government officials have not "lined" their pockets to this point is crazy thinking, i.e. the poor, broke Clinton's, according to Hillary just awhile back, yet sits on a treasure chest of a lot of pay for play money. Yeah, no lining there, right?



Another thrown jab, because of his opinion. Not sure your history or who lowell is, but must go back to the political forum I am not a member of.



THIS!! Great post layinwood. These are exactly my thoughts.

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Chuck,
Do you proofread your posts before you post them?
How do you say in the first paragraph that "you're not getting into it with me" and then proceed to rail on me for three more fucking posts?

Just a few points from my narrow mind that you obviously "just don't get".

I was asked directly what my opinion was and I responded with exactly that, yet you see an opportunity to start with the incessant whining about how shitty and wrong I am.

I never said anything about other politicians "lining their pockets", yet you completely disregard what I actually did post and choose rather to infer I did make such a ridiculously obtuse statement for what reason? Is it because you think it paints you in brighter light somehow? What purpose do any of these posts serve other than to do exactly that?


I thought my response to lowell was clear and concise enough to point to an obvious history of posts that I find to be bigoted and/or racist. Rather than once again complaining about me or my post, did it occur to you to check to see if there was a history or if my response might actually be appropriate?




Layinwood's post was in place prior to your first above quoted post, so I'm assuming you read it prior to making any of the above mentioned posts? I say that because of your use of the term narrow minded. If so, couldn't you have just agreed with it to yourself rather than making four self serving posts about how awesome you are and how shitty I am? Personally I find your actions to be very transparent and predictable, but what do I know?



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FDC. Perhaps many of us would not have voted for Trump if the Dems put up a viable candidate. They chose a person who got rich selling America for her own gain. While she was Sec of State. Never mind her views on open borders and refugees!

As for Trump I hope he is not another Globalist. I hoped the same thing for Obama, I was wrong.

I voted for Trump because I feel the world is a better place with a stronger America than China.

I hope he can turn the ship around. We know Hillary was not going to turn anything around she was one of the captains that led to the borders being open and jobs leaving the country.

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Layinwood,
I don't like her history nor do I like the current state of our educational system. Maybe she does have a plan that will close the gap, but maybe she doesn't. Her history doesn't bear that which is why I'm not a big fan of the appointment. I would be ecstatic to be wrong, however I believe there's more to it than just that. I think something has to be done to address s several issues including public teachers retirement and not receiving social security, pay structure and tenure, affordable college education, etc...
Again, I'm not saying she's incapable of doing the job, I feel there were better choices available.

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FDC. Perhaps many of us would not have voted for Trump if the Dems put up a viable candidate. They chose a person who got rich selling America for her own gain. While she was Sec of State. Never mind her views on open borders and refugees!

As for Trump I hope he is not another Globalist. I hoped the same thing for Obama, I was wrong.

I voted for Trump because I feel the world is a better place with a stronger America than China.

I hope he can turn the ship around. We know Hillary was not going to turn anything around she was one of the captains that led to the borders being open and jobs leaving the country.

Good post StevieD!!
 

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Chuck,
Do you proofread your posts before you post them?
How do you say in the first paragraph that "you're not getting into it with me" and then proceed to rail on me for three more fucking posts?

Just a few points from my narrow mind that you obviously "just don't get".

I was asked directly what my opinion was and I responded with exactly that, yet you see an opportunity to start with the incessant whining about how shitty and wrong I am.

I never said anything about other politicians "lining their pockets", yet you completely disregard what I actually did post and choose rather to infer I did make such a ridiculously obtuse statement for what reason? Is it because you think it paints you in brighter light somehow? What purpose do any of these posts serve other than to do exactly that?


I thought my response to lowell was clear and concise enough to point to an obvious history of posts that I find to be bigoted and/or racist. Rather than once again complaining about me or my post, did it occur to you to check to see if there was a history or if my response might actually be appropriate?




Layinwood's post was in place prior to your first above quoted post, so I'm assuming you read it prior to making any of the above mentioned posts? I say that because of your use of the term narrow minded. If so, couldn't you have just agreed with it to yourself rather than making four self serving posts about how awesome you are and how shitty I am? Personally I find your actions to be very transparent and predictable, but what do I know?



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No, I start at first post I read, respond to it, say what I think, and move to the next. But, since you think so, I guess you are calling me a liar. What else do you call it other than narrow-minded? Does layinwood have the patent to that word? For God's sake you will pick a fight with anything. I don't use the word "stupid" like you so easily do.

And once again, I didn't say that you said anything about "others lining their pockets". I said you FAILED to mention that others do and have lined theirs, and pointed out your candidate's behavior in doing so. And before you go off that she was not "your" candidate, I already know. But she was the only choice you had, just like Trump was not "mine", but he was the choice I had between two.

Lastly, I did reference you must have had a history with said poster. I said it was a negative post calling someone "stupid". If I took the time to research all your posts it would be a pretty fucking boring weekend.

So there you go, I responded to each and every one of your pushbacks, but I am sure that is not good enough. Never is for you. What you said to layinwood was a great gesture, and your saying you will work on being cognizant of expressing your opinion. Kudos for that. Many, many "intelligent" people voted for him. I am sorry you struggle with that fact. Hope you have a good weekend.
 

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FDC. Perhaps many of us would not have voted for Trump if the Dems put up a viable candidate. They chose a person who got rich selling America for her own gain. While she was Sec of State. Never mind her views on open borders and refugees!

As for Trump I hope he is not another Globalist. I hoped the same thing for Obama, I was wrong.

I voted for Trump because I feel the world is a better place with a stronger America than China.

I hope he can turn the ship around. We know Hillary was not going to turn anything around she was one of the captains that led to the borders being open and jobs leaving the country.

Hey StevieD,
As it turns out Hillary wasn't able to hold up against the well funded scrutiny and criticism of the GOP. I will admit that I often do confine myself to that which can be proven when it comes to these things. I really do try to disregard conjecture and propaganda. I'm sure few believe it but I've always maintained that I do not watch any of the major news networks at all. I prefer global news agencies and if a story piques my interest I'll look up a local report online.

I think there is a difference in what is considered newsworthy and objective. I thought Hillary did an excellent job as Secretary of State and I'm sure I'm not alone in that assessment, just as you're not alone in thinking the opposite.

I do not see immigration as pressing as an issue as others much like I don't see the need for voter i.d. laws and redistricting.

I am not sure what you mean by globalist insomuch as saying the world is better with a stronger America than China. Whether that is militarily or economically, I think both would require that we quit extracting from our economy and increasing trade. Closing our borders doesn't lend itself to an open market in my opinion.


Anyway, I am not hoping Trump fails as that would give Pence the office. I am wary of his election and don't trust him. Unfortunately, I think politics has become far too polarizing domestically and the only way we will effect any real change in this country will have to come from a more united citizenship.

I don't believe Trump has shown an affinity for keeping jobs in house in the past and again, I'm very skeptical that he will suddenly change tack.


For what is worth, I don't think anyone is a bad person because they voted a certain way. Some had their reasons, some stuck to party loyalty, some hope for a shake up, etc... and in all honesty I have more republican friends than democrat, at least it seems like I do, and their beliefs have no bearing on our relationship. My best friend and I vote on everything and he's a staunch republican. Every vote we drive together, get in line and highfive after canceling each other's vote them go to lunch. It's great and we have a lot of laughs over it.




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Layinwood,
I don't like her history nor do I like the current state of our educational system. Maybe she does have a plan that will close the gap, but maybe she doesn't. Her history doesn't bear that which is why I'm not a big fan of the appointment. I would be ecstatic to be wrong, however I believe there's more to it than just that. I think something has to be done to address s several issues including public teachers retirement and not receiving social security, pay structure and tenure, affordable college education, etc...
Again, I'm not saying she's incapable of doing the job, I feel there were better choices available.

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Honestly FDC, I don't know a ton about her. I do know what I've studied about charter schools and I like what they've accomplished. I know they've closed the learning gap. I know DeVos has been bashed for what she did in Detroit. Honestly, there aren't many programs that when tested go off without a hitch. Here is one thing from a study on the Detroit charter school though.

?In both reading and math, Black students in Detroit charter schools have significantly larger growth compared to Black students in Detroit TPS.? ?Hispanic charter students in Detroit show significantly better outcomes in math compared to their Hispanic TPS counterparts in Detroit.?



There are actual numbers from the study to show how those students have done. So while many may nt like her she has put forth a true effort to make changes. Changes that don't benefit a small group but everyone. The thing is those changes aren't needed for most kids middle class and above. Again, Trump is not a good man but he's changing things that need to be changed. This is one of the things on the top of my list. I know you think there couldn't be a worse pick than her but in all reality someone who's wanting to keep the status quo would be worse.

You said you can't understand why anyone intelligent would vote for him. I don't understand why anyone could look at what we've had, from both sides, and think it's the same path we should stay on. Find things that are broken and fix them, don't just put a band aid on them.

Of course this is just my opinion and the great thing about my life is nobody can screw it up but me.
 

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I have no regard for you or your posts. You're a stupid person and a bigot to the highest degree, so let's not pretend like I give a flying fuck about your idiotic opinion. How about you just stick to dragging your nails down the chalkboard for fun.

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FDC

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Please be so kind to repost a racist post of mine. You have used words a lot more offensive than I have ever used on this forum.
Bottom line is anyone who disagrees with you has to be stupid and has to be racist.
Have I ever made a ugly comment about your mixed family that you seem to want to remind us of with pictures and words? I personally find it odd that you do that. I do not and yet I have a mixed family.
If so, please repost my comments.
I voice my opinion. As a veteran and as an American I believe I am entitled to that right.
You are welcome to your beliefs and I firmly believe I am welcome to mine.
 
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Honestly FDC, I don't know a ton about her. I do know what I've studied about charter schools and I like what they've accomplished. I know they've closed the learning gap. I know DeVos has been bashed for what she did in Detroit. Honestly, there aren't many programs that when tested go off without a hitch. Here is one thing from a study on the Detroit charter school though.

?In both reading and math, Black students in Detroit charter schools have significantly larger growth compared to Black students in Detroit TPS.? ?Hispanic charter students in Detroit show significantly better outcomes in math compared to their Hispanic TPS counterparts in Detroit.?



There are actual numbers from the study to show how those students have done. So while many may nt like her she has put forth a true effort to make changes. Changes that don't benefit a small group but everyone. The thing is those changes aren't needed for most kids middle class and above. Again, Trump is not a good man but he's changing things that need to be changed. This is one of the things on the top of my list. I know you think there couldn't be a worse pick than her but in all reality someone who's wanting to keep the status quo would be worse.

You said you can't understand why anyone intelligent would vote for him. I don't understand why anyone could look at what we've had, from both sides, and think it's the same path we should stay on. Find things that are broken and fix them, don't just put a band aid on them.

Of course this is just my opinion and the great thing about my life is nobody can screw it up but me.
Agreed and I was going to post that I wasn't ignoring your question just got busy doing other stuff and have to go to my mom's in a bit so I won't be on here for a bit.

I really need to get away from superlatives.

I have no doubt that you're very well read and knowledgeable about the charter schools. You've historically always been up to date when it comes to education and such, I am not confident that I've done nearly enough research on the subject and readily accept and agree with you and that those results are promising.

I suppose it's hard to say how any one person is going to react when placed in a position such as hers. I hope she proves to be an advocate for teachers and students as well. There can always be worse.


I do think president Obama was/is a good president and did a good job however I cannot say the same for Congress. So as far as status quo goes I'm hoping for a completely new one at mid terms. To me, the POTUS is far more or a powerful figure internationally than domestically and that is why I voted Bernie, wanted Biden, supported Hillary. I am what I would call a progressive liberal centrist lol.

I believe in big military, gun ownership with registration restrictions, and social programs. I'm for a six week campaign cycle that eliminates lobbyists and private finding, gives equal airtime to all candidates and equal spending budget. In not for limitations or oversight on civil rights and liberties. I am far more interested in preserving our climate and wildlife and protecting, helping and caring about those in need. I think we need to care for our homeless, hungry, elderly, sick, helpless, and hopeless.

I'm actually a pretty social cat in real life and, like many others, believe we need more social civility

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