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to add, we are all taking extra precautions along the way

seems most of the city is being a lot more responsible about things like keeping distance while out and not convening in big crowds - still people out at the lake and in the parks etc but very chill



anyway, hoping for the best for all
 

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Maybe worldometers is the wrong source that I am using.


Your using a source that deals with projections/algorithm/analytics etc. It doesn't mean the source is wrong Per say just not actual numbers.

The W.H.O. stats are hard data, not projections and algorithms.

If you don't trust the World Health Organization for gathering data, who do you trust? And by the way the numbers that the W.H.O. uses for the USA numbers come from the CDC.

When dealing with a virus I prefer actual numbers for my data. Don't get me wrong Worldmeters is a great site, I have it bookmarked and use it for other stuff.
 

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thanks Bill, hope you and your family are holding up well


got this text from a friend about the article i posted above so i guess it is no longer available


?Twitter sucks- that article I posted here yesterday by the medium got yanked after 3 million views for unreliable sources(even though it had high level quality references) ?



like i said, think everything needs to be taken with a grain of salt right now anyway so.......


seems like cv deaths in the us declined ever so slight


peace - burns


Doing okay Scott. My daughter and 2 granddaughters are living with me right now so that made the decision to stop the ride sharing easy. It is a little boring at times but that's nothing compared to how things could be. You guys stay safe.
 

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We also have people dying who are still waiting on the test results, and people who have died who never got tested.


this was obviously correct as the both the case and death numbers have risen dramatically since testing ramped up - hope there is a correlation there


hope we see some leveling off in the US soon as well - i recently read that Orleans Parish (we use parish here instead of county) has what is easily the highest death rate per capita of all US counties with over 100k residents at 11.79 per 100k
 

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https://thehill.com/opinion/healthc...total-isolation?amp&__twitter_impression=true

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-hill/?amp


Dr. Scott W. Atlas is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, a professor of radiology and chief of neuroradiology at the Stanford University Medical Center, and senior fellow by courtesy at the Freeman-Spogli Institute for International Studies at Stanford

I hope he's right but I think he's presenting this as a stronger case than it really is. Facts 2-5 I don't think there's much to disagree about, but the crux of everything is in Fact 1. He's using the Stanford study to come up with the .1-.2% fatality rate. Interestingly - he closes his argument by saying "Let's stop underemphasizing empirical evidence while instead doubling down on hypothetical models." But that fatality rate itself is not purely empirical evidence - it also has some significant projections.

Reading through that study - they recruited 3300 participants for antibody testing using Facebook ads, and got 50 positives (1.5%). They then weighted (i.e. projected) the sample "to match Santa Clara County by zip, race, and sex" and came up with a prevalence rate of 2.81%. They then further "adjusted for population and test performance characteristics" to come up with a prevalence range of 2.49-4.16%. They then applied (another projection) that rate to the total population of Santa Clara county (1.9M) to get an estimate that 48,000 to 81,000 had been infected. They then take the official death count from Santa Clara County (50 at the time of the report) and project that the total death count through April 22nd would be 100 (for what it's worth - the official death total there is 95 as of today, so that's pretty close). 100 deaths out of 48,000 is .2% and out of 81,000 is .12%.

All of that may be 100% correct. It could also be very very wrong. If recruiting participants through Facebook ads disproportionately attracted those with covid symptoms who wanted to be tested (which seems at least plausible) then that would skew the prevalence rate - possibly by a lot. And since everything else is based off of that, that potentially completely changes the conclusion. They are also only using the official death count to determine the overall mortality rate. Nothing inherently wrong with that but in concluding that the actual prevalence is "50-85-fold more than the number of confirmed cases" it seems odd to then assume that the confirmed death numbers aren't at least partially under-reported as well.

Hopeful that numerous other similar studies are being conducted right now and if their results will agree. I would definitely agree that if the fatality rate is in fact .1-.2%, then yes the world has over-reacted. Although, if 2/3 of the population of the US gets infected (a good estimate of what we'd need for herd immunity) we'd still be looking at 200k-400k deaths from that.
 

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I hope he's right but I think he's presenting this as a stronger case than it really is. Facts 2-5 I don't think there's much to disagree about, but the crux of everything is in Fact 1. He's using the Stanford study to come up with the .1-.2% fatality rate. Interestingly - he closes his argument by saying "Let's stop underemphasizing empirical evidence while instead doubling down on hypothetical models." But that fatality rate itself is not purely empirical evidence - it also has some significant projections.

Reading through that study - they recruited 3300 participants for antibody testing using Facebook ads, and got 50 positives (1.5%). They then weighted (i.e. projected) the sample "to match Santa Clara County by zip, race, and sex" and came up with a prevalence rate of 2.81%. They then further "adjusted for population and test performance characteristics" to come up with a prevalence range of 2.49-4.16%. They then applied (another projection) that rate to the total population of Santa Clara county (1.9M) to get an estimate that 48,000 to 81,000 had been infected. They then take the official death count from Santa Clara County (50 at the time of the report) and project that the total death count through April 22nd would be 100 (for what it's worth - the official death total there is 95 as of today, so that's pretty close). 100 deaths out of 48,000 is .2% and out of 81,000 is .12%.

All of that may be 100% correct. It could also be very very wrong. If recruiting participants through Facebook ads disproportionately attracted those with covid symptoms who wanted to be tested (which seems at least plausible) then that would skew the prevalence rate - possibly by a lot. And since everything else is based off of that, that potentially completely changes the conclusion. They are also only using the official death count to determine the overall mortality rate. Nothing inherently wrong with that but in concluding that the actual prevalence is "50-85-fold more than the number of confirmed cases" it seems odd to then assume that the confirmed death numbers aren't at least partially under-reported as well.

Hopeful that numerous other similar studies are being conducted right now and if their results will agree. I would definitely agree that if the fatality rate is in fact .1-.2%, then yes the world has over-reacted. Although, if 2/3 of the population of the US gets infected (a good estimate of what we'd need for herd immunity) we'd still be looking at 200k-400k deaths from that.

Uhm,,I guess you are right cause I have no idea what I just read,,:shrug: So in that case maybe Dr Scott for Mayor ?
 
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