Paq-DeLaHoya- I love this

[MayorgaFan]

i will be very curious to see how pacquaio is gonna "box oscar from the outside" given the height and reach differential...

and this speed stuff...i think the diaz fight is fresh in everyone`s mind...i`d look fast against diaz..

didn`t oscar just go 12 competitive rounds(at least on the scorecards) with floyd mayweather?...

you know what the logical step-up fight for manny would have been?...hatton vs manny..in england...

anybody doesn`t think that wouldn`t do blockbuster business?...

now that i`d pay to see...and i`d take ricky on the size differential and body punching in that one....

i don`t recall ever seeing manny concentrate on anyone`s body...maybe my memory`s faulty,but isn`t manny more of a headhunter?...

Manny is mostly a headhunter I agree. The 1 fight where I thought he went to the body well was the 2nd Morales fight. Besides that very little bodywork. he might have hurt Morales in the first fight if I remember right with a bodyshot as well but was to dumb to go back there.

 

[Pound4Pound#1]

You can get DLH -175 @ sportsbook.com.

 

[Kramden]

True, now that you mention it, I don't recall a focused body attack but I think he can take instruction and roast some ribs, but boy is he going to need to be quick, in and out to avoid the counter

Here he is this week and as Chris Arreola might say. "That's a strong looking motherfukker"

It is amazing the way he's carrying 147 , bit of a freak, some serious lower leg muscles also like most Fillipino/Thailanders seem to have.

http://www.fightnews.com/fightnews_2/headlines//EkklkZAVyuosFibJRW.html

Manny does look quite fit and compact in that photo. You have to remember he has been holding his weight down for a long time. His last couple of fights at 130 took a toll on him. Even during Morales III he entered the ring weighing 144. He looked fresher at 135 and may still be OK at this higher weight. I know it's hard to fathom considering he turned pro as a 106 pound minimumweight but he seems to still be adding dense sinew to his compact frame. If Manny brings increased funtional physical strenth to this fight he will do well.

 

[rawli007]

Doug Fisher:

"I can envision a Pacquiao victory on Dec. 6. I haven?t seen enough of the Filipino icon in camp to outright pick him to win, but I?ve seen enough of Pacquiao?s training for this fight to convince myself that he will be competitive. I don?t view this as a blowout or one-sided fight at all. I think Roach is being 100 percent honest when he says he believes Pacquiao can stop De La Hoya. They aren?t training or planning to try and take De La Hoya out early, or to even attempt to overwhelm the larger man from the start, but if they see any signs of weakness or fatigue late in the bout, they will press the action and try to force a stoppage.

From what I?ve seen, Roach and Pacquiao are working on boxing from a distance, getting De La Hoya to lead and counter punching in the early rounds. The only time he?ll have Pacquiao dart in close is after he ducks or rolls under De La Hoya?s jab or right cross; once Manny is inside Oscar?s reach, he?ll crack the bigger man?s body from either side. They won?t apply pressure until it appears that De La Hoya has begun to fade, and Roach is pretty confident that will happen after six or seven rounds.

Like you, I agree that ?Oscar?s size, length, jab and left hook? will cause Pacquiao problems, which is why I believe this is such an intriguing fight."

Easy to write, more difficult to accomplish...

well said, Doug Fisher... i've thought much the same since this bout was announced.. thanks for sharing, crow.

looking forward to it, especially now that i know it wont interfere with the SEC championship game. :toast:

 

[frank s.]

Big question; does Pac know what lateral movement is? If he does his usual straight in stuff, he eats lots of shots, especially left hooks. I wanted to reply to ghost's post in another thread but it was locked.

 

[weepaul]

I heard Pac say his fight with Hussein was one of his toughest and it helped make him who he is today but I never realised how much trouble Pac was actually in.

Enjoy!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6FthQsH6MQ&feature=rec-HM-r2

 

[The Sponge]

im in at -185. u guys are killing me who can't wait till closer to the fight to see if the line dips a little more. As KIck would say Weepauls wager ruined us cause we could have got Delahoya around 110 by now.:SIB I think this fight will be close on the cards because Paq will get every remotely close round. Funny about all this speed Paq allegedly has. Not even close to Mayweathers and somehow Oscar survived.

 

[gardenweasel]

I think this fight will be close on the cards because Paq will get every remotely close round. Funny about all this speed Paq allegedly has. Not even close to Mayweathers and somehow Oscar survived.

we finally agree on something...this is the one issue that worries me....dlh is disliked in many boxing circles...and the "big man vs little man/david vs goliath" angle obviously gets manny much sympathy....

people just love to see the small underdog/everyman beat the big bad,rich and famous pretty boy.....i guess that`s human nature..

but,i gotta admit that this is one of the things that disgusts me about what`s happening in western society in general....there has to be some underlying message of redemption or some politically correct rationale for skewing outcomes that shouild be based only on merit and accomplishment...

but i digress...getting way off track here...

thankfully,i truly believe we may have a mismatch ... a gradual wearing down of the smaller man by the more well rounded bigger man....

i honestly will be surprised if manny finishes...

and i`m gonna commit sacrilege here...i`ve watched many manny fights...and i`m just not as convinced as many that he`s truly a great fighter...certainly not technically...

i believe that the lefty stance combined with manny`s superior strength and above average quickness allows him to make up for numerous flaws in technique...that and the fact that he hasn`t fought very many substantially taller fighters...

he lunges...has lousy balance...everything revolves around the pawing jab setting up the straight left hand....

i don`t recall seeing manny starch many dudes with a right hook or a body shot...

what he does,he does very well...but,imo,he`s pretty one dimensional...and he always appears to look bigger than everybody he fights...i noticed that going all the way back to his fights in japan.....maybe thats my perception:shrug: ...

it certainly won`t be the case in this one...

 

[frank s.]

After much ado, I am on his Golden-ness @-170 at sportsbetting.com. Seems Roach's "plan" is predicated on Oscar fading in the later rounds. Well, you have to make a guy work in order for him to fade. How much "pop" will Manny have on his punches at this weight class. Oscar got stopped once by Hopkins. Does Pac-man hit as hard as Hopkins, a 6'1" true middllweight? Oscar's a smart guy; Manny's a tough guy. A smart, well paced effort by DeLa Hoya is a winner in my book.

 

[Ghost Kid]

props for De La Hoya by KO:

rnd 1 40 to 1

rnd 2 43 to 1

rnd 3 36 to 1

I don't think it will happen that early, but it's pretty tempting to throw 20 bucks on each of those

I think Pac will be competitive for a bit, but if it ends up being a complete mismatch, you could cash in nicely

hmmmmmmm :00x32

 

[weepaul]

props for De La Hoya by KO:

rnd 1 40 to 1

rnd 2 43 to 1

rnd 3 36 to 1

I don't think it will happen that early, but it's pretty tempting to throw 20 bucks on each of those

I think Pac will be competitive for a bit, but if it ends up being a complete mismatch, you could cash in nicely

hmmmmmmm :00x32

Round 2 is when Oscar usually dummies his smaller, brawling opponents.

Round 3 is when Manny usually gets hurt or KO'd.

 

[Zerwas]

I'm in the minority here, but I dont think its impossible at all that Paquio will be competetive with Oscar....

I played Pacman +1.5 after 3 @-142

Oscar by SD +1400
Fight to end in a MD/ SD +724
DRAW +4800

As you can see I'm gambling qute a bit here... ;-)

There are so many intangibles...Oscar is the favorite, but Manny might not be as small as many people think...he weighed in at 144 for his third fight against Morales, if I'm not mistaken he was 151 on fighnight for his last fight, at least thats what I heard....Pacman is not a boxer though as you pointed out correctly which could spell trouble for him...Oscar tends to fade in the later rounds...but his jab might just be the deciding punch of the fight...
I 'm not confident to pick either guy straight....

It wont hurt too much if my longshots dont hit.

I also have some money on the over...but I might just scalp that...

 

[Romi]

I've stayed away from wagering on this so far. Alot of dough appears to be going on Paq and the Filapinos have yet to hit Vegas. I think the odds might even get a little better for Oscar. If I wager it will be on DLH but I'm holding out for better odds...won't be a bundle though. Manny will have to fight the fight of his life and then some, to pull this out. Not impossible but I just see too many obstacles for him to overcome. There's been alot of talk about Forbes marking up Oscars face. Pac certainly would not have had a picnic with Forbes. I think Oscar wins here. Just hope the fight will be half as exciting as the build up is making it out to be. Oscar and co could certainly have done a little better with the undercard. I hate to pay 50.oo for this but I will.

 

[gardenweasel]

I've stayed away from wagering on this so far. Alot of dough appears to be going on Paq and the Filapinos have yet to hit Vegas. I think the odds might even get a little better for Oscar. If I wager it will be on DLH but I'm holding out for better odds...won't be a bundle though. Manny will have to fight the fight of his life and then some, to pull this out. Not impossible but I just see too many obstacles for him to overcome. There's been alot of talk about Forbes marking up Oscars face. Pac certainly would not have had a picnic with Forbes. I think Oscar wins here. Just hope the fight will be half as exciting as the build up is making it out to be. Oscar and co could certainly have done a little better with the undercard. I hate to pay 50.oo for this but I will.

i`m not laying out the 50 beans....partially because the undercard is an insult....and partially because of the size of my wagers on o.dlh.........

probably wouldn`t make sense to lay out the bread to watch a fight while i was on a morphine drip(which is the only way i could get through it without chewing my own arm off)....lol

 

[nj]

Im more interested in watching Lopez fight than Hoya or Pac. This main event is really meaningless, regardless of the outcome. It makes Manny's legacy grow if he wins, but no way he sticks around at 147 against the likes of Margo/Cotto/Williams, it's one-and-done with no long-term repercussions.

Dwyer posted another entry about this fight, he sees it as a mismatch as well. Have people really been pointing to the Whitaker fight as evidence that Hoya has trouble with southpaws? Ludicrous!

I think very late money shows for Oscar, when that happens I'm buying back some of my Oscar straight bet. Right now it's 'astronomical' as weepaul says, or clinically insane. I should buy back to only incredulous or mind-boggling, to be safe. I'm also adding more to Oscar 1-6.

 

[nj]

I expected a worse undercard, like Bautista and other Filipino scrubs in mismatches.

Seeing Ortiz and Lopez is great, they actually tried to get Lopez vs Penalosa on the card, but Pen wanted more dough.

Im going to watch a steam.

 

[gardenweasel]

I expected a worse undercard, like Bautista and other Filipino scrubs in mismatches.

Seeing Ortiz and Lopez is great, they actually tried to get Lopez vs Penalosa on the card, but Pen wanted more dough.

Im going to watch a steam.

i like competitve fights...watching elite fighters or prospects dispatch gatekeepers and nobody`s doesn`t make me want to open the wallet...:shrug:

but that`s me..

 

[The Sponge]

we finally agree on something... .

i think i agree with almost every thing u say in the boxing and mma threads. Strange my brother strange.

 

[crow]

Anybody sees these 2 multi millionaires going balls to the walls for the KO/ glory?

I've never seen somebody able to avoid Pac's lefts, from Barrera to Morales to Marquez to Diaz. He throws it straight, looping or by uppercut and it always gets there.

One possible outcome is Hoya will do well from outside in the early stages, but will get countered inside as he tries to finish Pac, thus will be content to pile up points from a safe distance .

As Many expends energy he will revert to his old style, and in the later rds will walk into a left ala Vargas.

 

[muhr]

i just got him at -186 at pinny. i'm agreement with you guys, as such this is one of my biggest bets.

oscar is now -176 at pinny. normally i bet at the last minute, it appears i should have stuck to that habit. i think it's going to get closer yet.